LOL at Sixers!!!

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:12 pm

they had to trade a pick, Carney and pay some cash to the wolves to have an opportunity to sign Brand to a bigger contract. And now look where it led them to: overpaid & underachieving albotross contract with injury concerns, in order to trade him they will probably have to attach Young to him, if they pull something like this it will cost them a lot of assets in the end, and no wins.

My point is that situations like this make me very cautious when it comes to 2010 offseason, if we get lucky in the draft, lets say we come away from it with Turner and W. Johnson on our hands, I'd rather not go after J. Johnson or Gay with max or close to it money.

funkatron101 · Post #2 » by **funkatron101** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:25 pm

We are in no position to laugh at other teams.

Post #3 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:41 pm

I think Philly's big mistake was giving a huge contract to a guy coming off a major injury.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #4 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:46 pm

Come on we can laugh at sixers, they not much better than Rambis' crew and it will be easier for Kahn to do something with his roster in future compared to their GM, who should be fired for Brand's fiasco and hiring of coach Jordan, who's taking them nowhere.

Plus the main point of this thread is not about Sixers.

Post #5 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:49 pm

Who do you want to spend our cap room on then? We're most likley going to have to outbid other teams to get someone to come here. There's going to be some risk for a bad contract, but we can't sit on the cash.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #6 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:14 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Who do you want to spend our cap room on then? We're most likley going to have to outbid other teams to get someone to come here. There's going to be some risk for a bad contract, but we can't sit on the cash.

If we get good wings in the draft, the team will be set (only a defensive center will be lacking) and can grow together, or capspace can be used combined with young prospects in trades like Boston did. Overpaying in free agensy is not the way to go. Brand, B.Davis, Maggete, etc, can cripple your roster, Those guys are good players, but they shouldn't be payed those huge contracts, they got them because teams where trying to outbid each other.

Post #7 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:21 pm

Overpaying is fine, as long as you put together a roster works. Nobody cares that Rashard Lewis is overpaid. The key is getting the right players. If you're concerned about paying the wrong players, I think eating the contract of an older player like Rip Hamilton with only 2 years left might more palatable. I think it's in our best interests to spend the money if can reasonbly.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #8 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:31 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Overpaying is fine, as long as you put together a roster works. Nobody cares that Rashard Lewis is overpaid. The key is getting the right players. If you're concerned about paying the wrong players, I think eating the contract of an older player like Rip Hamilton with only 2 years left might more palatable. I think it's in our best interests to spend the money if can reasonbly.

Nobody cares about Lewis because they have Dwight and they are winning and are not paying Lewis 20-22 mil per year just yet. What if they stop winning in a year or two, lets say Dwight blows his knees aka Webber or Amare, Carter declines and they still have to pay Lewis 20-22 mil per year for 2-3 seasons? Do you think they still will not care?

Foye · Post #9 » by **Foye** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:40 pm

james harden wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Overpaying is fine, as long as you put together a roster works. Nobody cares that Rashard Lewis is overpaid. The key is getting the right players. If you're concerned about paying the wrong players, I think eating the contract of an older player like Rip Hamilton with only 2 years left might more palatable. I think it's in our best interests to spend the money if can reasonbly.

Nobody cares about Lewis because they have Dwight and they are winning and are not paying Lewis 20-22 mil per year just yet. What if they stop winning in a year or two, lets say Dwight blows his knees aka Webber or Amare, Carter declines and they still have to pay Lewis 20-22 mil per year for 2-3 seasons? Do you think they still will not care?

Thats the risk you've got to take in order to be a contender :lol:

NewWolvesOrder · Post #10 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:55 pm

Worm Guts. Eating a shorter contract like Hamilton may not be a bad idea if we draft a young wing like Henry, because he will make us more competetive, can be a good mentor for a young wing and will come of the books when Henry will be ready to take over.

Post #11 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:04 pm

james harden wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Overpaying is fine, as long as you put together a roster works. Nobody cares that Rashard Lewis is overpaid. The key is getting the right players. If you're concerned about paying the wrong players, I think eating the contract of an older player like Rip Hamilton with only 2 years left might more palatable. I think it's in our best interests to spend the money if can reasonbly.

Nobody cares about Lewis because they have Dwight and they are winning and are not paying Lewis 20-22 mil per year just yet. What if they stop winning in a year or two, lets say Dwight blows his knees aka Webber or Amare, Carter declines and they still have to pay Lewis 20-22 mil per year for 2-3 seasons? Do you think they still will not care?

Lewis maybe the difference between winning a championship or not. Like Foye said, it's the risk you have to take. I don't know if Johnson and Gay are worth the risk for our team, but I'm going to be upset if we don't spend the money somehow.

shrink · Post #12 » by **shrink** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:07 pm

I was thinking the same thing this morning james. Its ironic that they gave up a pick to us to get him, and they will probably need to give up a pick to move him, and the additional $50 mil he's owed over the next three years.

With their season lost and injuries mounting, I've spent some time on their boards, and some are talking about moving Brand by trading away Iguodala to get expirings and playing time for Thad. That's a lot of expirings, and it may be something we'd like to insert ourselves in to acquire Iggy.

I won't give them an LOL -- injuries hit everyone, and we know that as well as anybody. However, there would certainly be irony for us to use our financial flexibility to get paid helping them acquire Brand, and to get paid again to help them get rid of him.

Krapinsky · Post #13 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:17 pm

I like Iggy, but he is definitely not worth acquiring Brand. If you're trying to build a championship contender, you're paying for a #1 and a #2 and getting a #3 and a #4.

Foye · Post #14 » by **Foye** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:25 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
james harden wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Overpaying is fine, as long as you put together a roster works. Nobody cares that Rashard Lewis is overpaid. The key is getting the right players. If you're concerned about paying the wrong players, I think eating the contract of an older player like Rip Hamilton with only 2 years left might more palatable. I think it's in our best interests to spend the money if can reasonbly.

Nobody cares about Lewis because they have Dwight and they are winning and are not paying Lewis 20-22 mil per year just yet. What if they stop winning in a year or two, lets say Dwight blows his knees aka Webber or Amare, Carter declines and they still have to pay Lewis 20-22 mil per year for 2-3 seasons? Do you think they still will not care?

Lewis maybe the difference between winning a championship or not. Like Foye said, it's the risk you have to take. I don't know if Johnson and Gay are worth the risk for our team, but I'm going to be upset if we don't spend the money somehow.

Nah. Don't spend money just to spend money.Just if you're sure that it will help the team in the long run. I like the Rip idea btw.
We should try to add a stud wing in the draft.
IMO the ideal scenario would be if we somehow come up with the wing and move up to Aldrich with the Cats pick if we get it. Then bring in one or two experienced guys who know how to win and you've got yourself a hell of a team.

jballer_13 · Post #15 » by **jballer_13** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:36 pm

I doubt there is a team willing to take on Brand's contract for just expirings. I just looked at it again and it's just a terrible deal: $14,858,472 $15,959,100 $17,059,727 $18,160,355.

I like Shrink's idea of trying to get Iggy in a 3 team trade but I don't think that it's a realistic option. I would think they would move Thad before Iggy but who knows. There seems to be a few snags in a 3 way with Brand and Iggy. First the team taking Iggy would have to have enough expirings to send Philly and enough value to also give the third team. Also, the third team would have to be able to take on Brand's $14.8 Mill and whatever other incentive they would receive and give Philly some amount of decent contracts back.

I think we solve problem one with Blount/Cardinal and maybe a combination of CHA pick + Pek + Sessions + Gomes/Brewer would be enough to get a third team interested. I would be weary of throwing any of our core in to get the deal done. The biggest problem is still the second one: who would be able to take on Brand at that price?

Post #16 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:42 pm

Foye wrote:
Nah. Don't spend money just to spend money.Just if you're sure that it will help the team in the long run. I like the Rip idea btw.
We should try to add a stud wing in the draft.
IMO the ideal scenario would be if we somehow come up with the wing and move up to Aldrich with the Cats pick if we get it. Then bring in one or two experienced guys who know how to win and you've got yourself a hell of a team.

I don't want to say spend money just to spend money, but our cap space is an asset and I think it's important that we use it. Especially from the fanbase stand point. With Kahn's moves this summer and the way he has talked about the importance of cap space, he needs to use it or a lot of fans will be upset.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:47 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Foye wrote:
Nah. Don't spend money just to spend money.Just if you're sure that it will help the team in the long run. I like the Rip idea btw.
We should try to add a stud wing in the draft.
IMO the ideal scenario would be if we somehow come up with the wing and move up to Aldrich with the Cats pick if we get it. Then bring in one or two experienced guys who know how to win and you've got yourself a hell of a team.

I don't want to say spend money just to spend money, but our cap space is an asset and I think it's important that we use it. Especially from the fanbase stand point. With Kahn's moves this summer and the way he has talked about the importance of cap space, he needs to use it or a lot of fans will be upset.

I have no problem with this, but if we can't get the players we want, then I don't think we should sign anyone for more than a 1 year deal.

Foye · Post #18 » by **Foye** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 9:20 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
Foye wrote:
Nah. Don't spend money just to spend money.Just if you're sure that it will help the team in the long run. I like the Rip idea btw.
We should try to add a stud wing in the draft.
IMO the ideal scenario would be if we somehow come up with the wing and move up to Aldrich with the Cats pick if we get it. Then bring in one or two experienced guys who know how to win and you've got yourself a hell of a team.

I don't want to say spend money just to spend money, but our cap space is an asset and I think it's important that we use it. Especially from the fanbase stand point. With Kahn's moves this summer and the way he has talked about the importance of cap space, he needs to use it or a lot of fans will be upset.

I have no problem with this, but if we can't get the players we want, then I don't think we should sign anyone for more than a 1 year deal.

Yeah, if he can't sign a player that would fit we should just keep our capspace for 2011.

jade_hippo · Post #19 » by **jade_hippo** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 11:01 pm

Rip would fit on our team, really well I think. the problem with our money/capspace, is that we have to keep in mind the age of the player and their potential to grow with the players we already have. By the time Flynn and Love and the 2010 draftees hit their stride, Rip will be one the downslide and ready to start coaching.

Post #20 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:58 pm

Rip would fit on our team, really well I think. the problem with our money/capspace, is that we have to keep in mind the age of the player and their potential to grow with the players we already have. By the time Flynn and Love and the 2010 draftees hit their stride, Rip will be one the downslide and ready to start coaching.

We don't necessarily need someone to grow with the team, especially when the other option is to not spend the money at all. Rip will be too old by the time Love and Flynn are in their prime, but his contract expires before then and he helps us win some more games in the mean time.