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[blackham9258]

Who would you want for him? What package would interest you. We won't trade Deron or the NY pick. Make your offers: I am interested to see if there is a package you would put together for him? Thanks,

Also, is Butler expendable now in Washington with the arrival of Miller, and the problems with his teamates?

[Hoopalotta]

I have already thought about it and I don't think there's a deal to be made. You guys have no draft pick other than the NYK slot, which you're not moving, and you can't really take on salary. The Wizards don't need veteran bigmen, so only Maynor is really interesting.

Tough deal unless a three way were found.

Also, we have a trade thread stickied for this kind of stuff.

[Hoopalotta]

Wow, look what this hoser was posting on on the Jazz board:

Butler Packages:

Memo for Butler straight accross
Memo & Korver for Butler/Mcgee
AK for Butler/McGee and Cash
Boozer for Butler/Mcgee
AK

We need some 'Buzzard-be-Gone" in an aerosol can.

[verbal8]

Wow, look what this hoser was posting on on the Jazz board:

Butler Packages:

Memo for Butler straight accross
Memo & Korver for Butler/Mcgee
AK for Butler/McGee and Cash
Boozer for Butler/Mcgee
AK

We need some 'Buzzard-be-Gone" in an aerosol can.

How does the Utah guy think that Korver is worth McGee?

There are two guys who could possibly make sense on the Wizards for Butler. Okur and Boozer. However neither guy makes sense with Jamison here. I don't think Boozer would be enough of an upgrade to make a deal. The problem with Okur and Jamison is it is a horrendous front court defensively.

I don't think Okur is as good as Butler, but I think he might be almost as valuable from a trade perspective. With the shortage of decent Centers have an additional year on his deal is a good thing.

I could seeing doing a Crittenton/Stevenson/Butler for Maynor/Korver/Okur. I think Korver would be dealt, but that should not be hard given he is a great shooter and an expiring contract. The Wizards could even buy him out and have him go back to Utah.

[Hoopalotta]

Well Verbal, if we made that trade, we'd also do well to put Haywood on the block.

Of course it may well come to that....

You know, somehow Okur seems like he would have fit right in on the old Coach Unseld Bullets of the early 90's. There's just something about him.....

[nate33]

Have at it, gentlemen.

[joeraptors]

i want haywood! ill give u banks for him,lol

[closg00]

Accokeek, Md.: Do you think the time has finally come to disband the Big Three based on initial returns? If any of the Big Three is traded this season, whom do you feel is most likely to get moved and why?

Michael Lee: I think it's a little to early to discuss moving those guys right now. They haven't played well, but they've only played nine games together this season. From what I hear, they aren't looking to move any of them right now.
You have to remember that the Wizards didn't exactly add the same Gilbert Arenas they lost on April 4, 2007. This is a much different player. At the same time, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are different players since then, too.
It's nice to hope that you can throw them back together and say, 'Vuala!'
The player who would be most likely to get moved is Butler because he has a favorable contract, earning about $20 million through 2011. Plus, Butler was in incredibly high demand this summer. But Ernie Grunfeld has been really patient with this group. If the Wizards are still stinking up the joint around the trade deadline, I'd expect that he'd try to make a deal right then. Anything done today would be pure panic. Remember, the East is awful. The Wizards can still make up some ground.

Damn! Woulda -coulda-shoulda

[MJG]

Anything done today would be pure panic. Remember, the East is awful. The Wizards can still make up some ground.

This is the type of quote that annoys me a little bit each time I read them. What exactly does he think our goal is? To slide into the playoffs as a 7-8th seed with a 39-43 record because the rest of the middle of the East is so mediocre? There is no prize for being the least bad non-contending team.

[cdouglas]

We're no longer satisfied with making the playoffs. We want to WIN the playoffs so we need to put together a team that can win a championship.

[closg00]

Hmmmm, Bayless wants out of Portland, I wonder what it would take to get him?

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Anything done today would be pure panic. Remember, the East is awful. The Wizards can still make up some ground.

This is the type of quote that annoys me a little bit each time I read them. What exactly does he think our goal is? To slide into the playoffs as a 7-8th seed with a 39-43 record because the rest of the middle of the East is so mediocre? There is no prize for being the least bad non-contending team.

Would I be satisfied with sneaking into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed?

Yes and no.

Why yes?... Many of us lived through the misery of the Bullets/Wizards making just one playoff appearance in a 20 years stretch; Last year was pretty hard to take; Losing and blowing things up doesn't necessarily mean you'll turn things around... you still need a plan and some luck like an in-prime FA budding star signing with you; We've been all but unwatchable thus far this year... sneaking in at 7th or 8th implies that we win some games over the next few months.

Why no?... The first few years of the big three made us all believe that we were a break or two away (actually, a bit of depth away) from really contending; With Uncle Ted about to take over, he has shown his ability to conceive of and stick with a plan for rebuilding a franchise; I remember the Bullets glory days and it sure was fun going to see playoff and championship games.

[eltacoman]

if we get another first round exit or miss the playoffs we are going to have to say good bye to Haywood

do we have any rights or advantages to whom ever Haywood leaves us for ... if we are not looking good bye the trade deadline what should we do with Miller Haywood Foye James just let them expire or try and move them for youth and picks

[montestewart]

I’m not calling for a complete break up of the big 3, but they’re really not getting it done. At some point, I’d concede that it’s not just a matter of waiting for the right deal, but a matter of making some deal in order to move on. The breakup would probably be done piecemeal, and I’ve seen many deals involving Butler mentioned, and occasionally some involving Jamison, but none recently (that I recall) involving Arenas.

Here are two that package Arenas and Butler together, deals that might be made with teams that need to shake things up for on court and/or financial reasons. I’m not saying I’d necessarily do these deals, or that the other teams would jump at such an offer, but I was trying to envision how Arenas might be moved. Included are years remaining on contracts (09-10 inclusive) and overall salary impact of players involved over the next five years (09-10 inclusive).


GOLDEN STATE - WASHINGTON
Ellis (5); Radmonovic (2); Turiaf (3); Claxton (1)
26,816,850; 21,883,800; 15,360,000, 11,000,000; 11,000,000
FOR
Arenas (5); Butler (2); Stevenson (2); Crittendon (1)
31,337,898; 32,444,440; 19,269,308; 20,807,922; 22,346,536

Wizards rotation:
Ellis/Boykins
Young/Miller
Jamison/Miller
Blatche/Jamison
Haywood/McGee
Deep bench: Foye, McGuire, Radmonovic, Oberto, Turiaf, Claxton, James

Golden State gets return of Arenas and (potentially) two impact players for one, hoping a new environment and system can help them return to All-Star form and Golden State to the playoffs. Because of the larger long-term financial commitment and they way Ellis has been playing this year, Golden State might not go for this, but they did sign Maggette and Jackson, and maybe a pick or two could help. Washington rids itself of the large contracts of two underperformers, saves money immediately and in the long term, and hopes that Ellis can play well for years to come. Turiaf is decent big man, offering some insurance against Haywood bolting. The Wizards have a good 8-man rotation, and only a $40,000,000 payroll obligation next year, helping to resign Haywood, Miller, possibly others and/or allow further trading of expirings.


NEW ORLEANS - WASHINGTON
Arenas (5); Butler (2); Haywood (1); Stevenson (2); James (1)
42,326,578; 32,444,440; 19,269,308; 20,807,922; 22,346,536
FOR
Paul (4); Okafor (5); Stojakovic (2); Posey (3)
44,293,437; 48,295,127; 35,827,017; 31,322,707; 14,544,687

Wizards rotation:
Paul/Boykins
Young/Miller
Jamison/Miller
Blatche/Jamison
Okafor/McGee
Deep bench: Foye, McGuire, Stojakovic, Oberto, Posey, Crittendon (4 of 6 expiring)

New Orleans sheds three bloated contracts, saves money now and in the long term, and gets three impact players (they likely would try to resign Haywood), hoping the big-2 can return to form in a new environment and, with Haywood, gel with West and the rest of the remaining roster to refashion the Hornets into a serious contender. Washington takes on a lot of salary (not as much as it appears, since they would have needed to resign Haywood at perhaps $8 million per), knowing what they are getting from Posey and Stojakovic, hoping to see the best from Okafor through the remainder of his contract. This would be a risky, but to me worth it to shed the large contracts of two underperformers and get Paul in return and see what he can do with Blatche, McGee, and Young.


I looked at similar trades with Indiana and the Clippers, but haven't come up with anything yet.

[Leto]

Washington seems to be in limbo right now. I was curious to see what you guys think Eg will do before the deadline, if anything. From watching games, it seems like you're having difficulty figuring out what combinations work best. I've noticed that Gil is playing SG with Earl at point late in games. It looks as if Gil is better suited to SG--no surprise there. Its going to be interesting to see what happens. I think if the team plays well, they'll they might try to make a trade before the deadline to shore up some area they think will put them over the top. My guess would be perimeter defense. On the other hand, if they don't play well, I think you'll have to move Butler or Haywood or both and try rebuuilding. I don't see any team taking on Gil's contract. Maybe a team like Cleveland will take Jamison? I don't know. It just seems like the Wiz are stuck in a transition period right now.

[LyricalRico]

I was curious to see what you guys think Eg will do before the deadline, if anything.

At a minimum I would expect we find somebody with the cap circumstances to take Mike James of our hands for nothing or next to nothing in return. And then if they don't start stringing together some wins, look for Caron Butler to have a new home at the trade deadline.

I've noticed that Gil is playing SG with Earl at point late in games. It looks as if Gil is better suited to SG--no surprise there.

The problem is that it's killing us defensively. We can't stop anybody with a Boykins/Arenas backcourt. If Gil is going to play off the ball, we need a PG who can guard SGs. I guess that was supposed to be Randy Foye but he hasn't been able to fill that role yet.

[Leto]

Oh, then you need HInrich

[Leto]

Here's a trade I'd thought about I think everyone would benefit.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5316623

Wash out: Foye, Young and Oberto
Wash in: Salmons and Bayless

Chi out: Salmons, Taj and James Johnson
Chi in: Young, Oberto and Foye

Portland out: Bayless
Portland in: Taj and JJ

This helps Portland plug their hole at PF while Oden is down for his yearly maintenance. Jj could also be subbed for Arron Gray..but whatever.

For Washington, I think the benefit is obvious.

For the Bulls, they get what they need in Young and Oberto.

Unless you like Hinrich. In whch case I'm sure there's something we could work out.

Of course, Oberto isn't eligible until the 15th but....

[montestewart]

Here's a trade I'd thought about I think everyone would benefit.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5316623

Wash out: Foye, Young and Oberto
Wash in: Salmons and Bayless

Chi out: Salmons, Taj and James Johnson
Chi in: Young, Oberto and Foye

Portland out: Bayless
Portland in: Taj and JJ

This helps Portland plug their hole at PF while Oden is down for his yearly maintenance. Jj could also be subbed for Arron Gray..but whatever.

For Washington, I think the benefit is obvious.

For the Bulls, they get what they need in Young and Oberto.

Unless you like Hinrich. In whch case I'm sure there's something we could work out.

Of course, Oberto isn't eligible until the 15th but....

Maybe I'm swayed too much by Young's recent uptick and Salmons play dropping off a bit from last year, but it seems overall to be a Salmons for Young trade, and Young costs less, is six years younger, and still may show even greater improvement. Overall, the Wizards take on a little more salary this year and over $5 million more next year to accomplish the trade.

I'd been thinking more along the lines of Foye/James out, Hinrich in.

[Leto]

I see. The value is fair in a Foye/James for Hinrich scenario, but I'd rather just keep Kirk in that instance. If it were Young, Critt and James I'd do it.

Also, I'd just add that Salmons has been back to form for awhile now.