Gomes

Post #1 » by **Duffman100** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:46 pm

How available is Gomes? Are you guys smitten with him?

Great production for a low salary, I imagine teams would have to overpay to get him.

Krapinsky · Post #2 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:58 pm

He's playing well since he moved to PF. At SF he is very inconsistent.

Since we're trying to clear salary next year most on here are willing to move him for expirings and an asset, or perhaps a young productive wing. FYI his contract can be bought out next year for $1 million.

funkatron101 · Post #3 » by **funkatron101** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:11 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:He's playing well since he moved to PF. At SF he is very inconsistent.

I never thought I would hear that!

Post #4 » by **Duffman100** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:18 pm

As a bench 3/4, he'd be productive?

Esohny · Post #5 » by **Esohny** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:21 pm

Duffman100 wrote:As a bench 3/4, he'd be productive?

He's more consistent as a 4, but can play at the 3. At the 4, he forces slower bigs to try to follow him on the perimeter, so gets better looks.

Post #6 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:24 pm

I would move him for an exp and a future pick with a risky/loose protection. Not a pick this season, but maybe next year's draft? That way the pick is not hurting our cap space this summer and we liquidize assets for the future.

Just a couple ideas

-Bos for Scal+ 2012 draft pick top 10 protected.
-LAL for Morrison+2012 draft pick top 10 protected
-ORl for Reddick +2012 draft pick top 10 protected
-SanAn for Mason (bought out)+2012 draft pick top 10 protected.

I think the Boston deal would be the best. They like Gomes and I like having future weak protected draft picks. Gomes would be great on a contender.

Duffman is a raptors fan. The raptors are a hard trade partner for us.

Amir Johnson+2012 top 10, (2013 top 5, 2014 top1 protected) draft pick. Toronto risks that they will not be top-10 and they get an asset for cheap.

john2jer · Post #7 » by **john2jer** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:42 pm

At least a case of Duff would be needed in any Gomes trade.

shrink · Post #8 » by **shrink** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:55 pm

revprodeji wrote:I would move him for an exp and a future pick with a risky/loose protection. Not a pick this season, but maybe next year's draft? That way the pick is not hurting our cap space this summer and we liquidize assets for the future.

Just a couple ideas

-Bos for Scal+ 2012 draft pick top 10 protected.
-LAL for Morrison+2012 draft pick top 10 protected
-ORl for Reddick +2012 draft pick top 10 protected
-SanAn for Mason (bought out)+2012 draft pick top 10 protected.

I think the Boston deal would be the best. They like Gomes and I like having future weak protected draft picks. Gomes would be great on a contender.

Duffman is a raptors fan. The raptors are a hard trade partner for us.

Amir Johnson+2012 top 10, (2013 top 5, 2014 top1 protected) draft pick. Toronto risks that they will not be top-10 and they get an asset for cheap.

Great post rev. I agree 100%, and it spells out where we value Gomes for other posters who stop by.

You're definitely right about the Raptors struggling to have the assets to acquire Gomes. They traded their protected 1st to MIA in the JO deal, so I think they'd struggle to trade another future 1st, particularly with Bosh's future so murky.

Best bet for TOR is a three-team trade, where they turn some other player/asset into a package that contains assets that MIN would like. the most value-conscious way to do so is to acquire an unproductive expiring to get more value out of the pick's protections you'd ask for. The teams rev listed have some pretty poor-producing expirings that match .. perhaps you could work out a three-way with one of them.

Post #9 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:09 pm

yea, Gomes could provide a nice piece that would push a contender over with depth and smart play. He could be great in the bench 3/4 Posey role. A team would be getting him immediately for nothing as far as the non-productive expiring, but in a couple years they would be giving up a first with very minimum protection. It would hurt their future and perhaps be the final quality piece added to the MN playoff run team.

Krapinsky · Post #10 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:09 pm

I wonder how attached they are to Derozan since the rest of their team is built to win now? I would give up Brewer, Gomes, and the Utah pick next year for a package that brought back Derozan and little salary.

Derozan, Wright, Nesterovic for Gomes, Brewer, and Utah pick?

Post #11 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:17 pm

I know I am bias, but I would rather have Brewer then DeRozan. DeRozan does not do much for me. I do not see him as much more then a rich-man Carney.

I also do not like DeRozan better than many of the draft prospects: (Wall, Turner, AFA, Johnson, Ebanks, Henry, even Warner)

Krapinsky · Post #12 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:27 pm

revprodeji wrote:I know I am bias, but I would rather have Brewer then DeRozan. DeRozan does not do much for me. I do not see him as much more then a rich-man Carney.

I also do not like DeRozan better than many of the draft prospects: (Wall, Turner, AFA, Johnson, Ebanks, Henry, even Warner)

That's a little misguided in my opinion. Derozan has shown an ability to get to the line. 29 free throws in his last 4 games. Carney could never put the ball on the ground like that which was and remains to be his main limitation as a player.

shrink · Post #13 » by **shrink** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:27 pm

I wonder about Rudy Fernandez' back surgery. I thought he was a nice prospect before, but POR was in love with him, so trading for him might be like trying to swim upstream if they value him more than we do. If he still have value, I'm curious how this would go over:

Gomes + Sessions + OPec

Outlaw + Fernandez + Bayless + Juwon Howard

POR is riddled with injuries, and has only one healthy SF on the roster (Webster), with Outlaw out until near the end of this season. Rudy's out with the back. Sessions is young and plays some defense, and OPec provides a little size with Oden gone. POR then trades Andre Miller for a legit center.

MIN clears some cap, and picks up some prospects. I wouldn't be disappointed to introduce the Twin Cities to Outlaw either, prior to his impending free agency.

Post #14 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:31 pm

Sessions seems content with his roll, I doubt Bayless would be. I also value Sessions as a true pg with a nice contract.

Krapinsky · Post #15 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:36 pm

revprodeji wrote:Sessions seems content with his roll, I doubt Bayless would be. I also value Sessions as a true pg with a nice contract.

I'm also not a big fan of Bayless' T-Rex arms on a 6'3" pg

Krapinsky · Post #16 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:36 pm

revprodeji wrote:Sessions seems content with his roll, I doubt Bayless would be. I also value Sessions as a true pg with a nice contract.

I'm also not a big fan of Bayless' T-Rex arms on a 6'3" pg

shrink · Post #17 » by **shrink** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 8:08 pm

Is Fernandez still the most valuable player in this deal?

I haven't researched his back surgery. what's the prognosis?

GopherIt! · Post #18 » by **GopherIt!** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 8:13 pm

I like Ryan. If we can get a decent pick for him though I think we'd have to consider that. I want to keep Corey. Like Rudy but apparently he's a lock for GOAT by knowledgeable sources.

colincb · Post #19 » by **colincb** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:24 pm

What if BOS offered Tony Allen and JR Giddens instead of Scalabrine as expiring contracts along with the 2012 protected? BOS opens up a roster slot for a backup PG with Marquis Daniels out for 2 months. You're not keeping the expirings anyhow, though Giddens is worth a look. Giddens has played well in the NDBL, but he's at the end of the bench here and Doc Rivers doesn't play young players except under duress. None of these guys is a locker room problem.

I would think BOS might be interested in either deal though.

shrink · Post #20 » by **shrink** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:33 pm

colincb wrote:What if BOS offered Tony Allen and JR Giddens instead of Scalabrine as expiring contracts along with the 2012 protected? BOS opens up a roster slot for a backup PG with Marquis Daniels out for 2 months. You're not keeping the expirings anyhow, though Giddens is worth a look. Giddens has played well in the NDBL, but he's at the end of the bench here and Doc Rivers doesn't play young players except under duress. None of these guys is a locker room problem.

I would think BOS might be interested in either deal though.

I don't think MIN really cares about "which" expirings you'd send. In fact, if you wait until Tuesday, we can send you Gomes and vet Jason Hart for that package. The poor guy is on the inactive list almost every game. We'd eventually need to bring in a third PG if Flynn or Sessions got hurt, but both can probably play big minutes. MIN really just cares about the future pick.