ImageImageImage

Team chemistry and balance.

Moderators: Domejandro, Worm Guts, Calinks

sledgeross
Freshman
Posts: 92
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 04, 2009

Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#1 » by sledgeross » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:12 am

Ok, Love is back, and Al seems to be getting better with each hitout. Flynn is getting more assists and less turnovers. Ellington seems to be coming along nicely. Gomes and Hollins are energetic and contributing.

So, where can we improve? Obviously having someone besides Love who can shoot 3's accurately is a start. And having a few other people besides Jawai shooting +80% free throws would help.

What are the TWolves strengths and weaknesses, what should management be looking to address sooner rather than later.?

Strengths are rebounding easily, and I cant think of too much else at the moment.

Weaknesses are inexperience from the play maker (or in a triangle, the "initiator") and long distance shooting. Time will fix the offence, but when will players start draining 3's? Especially with Stewie and Cardinal riding the pine!
User avatar
revprodeji
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 22,388
And1: 8
Joined: Dec 25, 2002
Location: Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought
Contact:

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#2 » by revprodeji » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 am

This thread is roughly 7-8 months early. This team is designed to be built this summer via draft/free agency. Only exception would be a possible deadline deal. Otherwise this year is entirely for developing prospects and waiting.
http://www.timetoshop.org
Weight management, Sports nutrition and more...
User avatar
jade_hippo
Starter
Posts: 2,383
And1: 135
Joined: Jan 05, 2009
Location: Take off... eh!
 

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#3 » by jade_hippo » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:11 am

I agree that it is early, but its still nice to hope to see a competitive team on the court instead of 20pt blowouts and lots of hanging heads.
User avatar
big3_8_19_21
RealGM
Posts: 12,113
And1: 421
Joined: Jan 17, 2005

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#4 » by big3_8_19_21 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:28 am

While only being able to see highlights and box scores, we seem to be 10x better since Love came back. Part of that is Jonny Flynn was starting to come around on his assist/turnover ratio just before Love came back as well and Jefferson seems to be working the rust off slowly, but obviously a HUGE part of that is getting Love back. I agree with rev. At this point, the best we can hope for is for everyone to stay healthy and improve aspects of their game that will make us a more competitive team next season. A couple big things are Ellington finding his shot/adjusting to the NBA 3pt line and Brewer shooting a less pathetic % from the field. If Flynn and Sessions can mesh and play together at the same time, that would be a big plus as well.
Thriving on mediocrity since '89.
sledgeross
Freshman
Posts: 92
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 04, 2009

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#5 » by sledgeross » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:32 am

Thats what I mean, with minor tweaking, the core of this team can pick up some confidence for next season by playing well now. The maulings on the Pacific swing notwithstanding, this young and inexperienced team, with a bit of luck and experience, could have won a couple more games.
allweneedisLOVE
Banned User
Posts: 2,742
And1: 27
Joined: Dec 06, 2009

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#6 » by allweneedisLOVE » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:39 am

Benching Corey Brewer would have taken our win count from 3 to 10
User avatar
JR Rider
Sophomore
Posts: 191
And1: 39
Joined: Feb 27, 2008

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#7 » by JR Rider » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:09 am

i have several odd ends that seem as though they would fit in this sort of thread.



-corey brewer appears to lack any sort of confidence. once a happy go lucky guy, appears to hate playing basketball now.

-i really do believe the coaching staff is the strength of the organization at this point. if you look at the wolves progress from game one this year, all the way to today, it is remarkable how much better of a team they are.

-i am not a fan of hollins, or pavlovic at all. i know theres a lot of people on board with hollins, but i really think he will never be suited in the NBA for more than (extremely) minimal reserve minutes. pavlovic just straight up sucks.

-the player that really confuses me is damien wilkins.. he either looks solid or horrible.. i want to go with horrible with flashes of solid, which typically is not a good NBA player.

-i like the progression of flynn, love, jefferson, and especially gomes. i have said this repeatedly over time, and i believe gomes is the most complete player we have (not the most talented), and I would like to see him as a piece to the puzzle here long-term.

-jefferson looks like a better player with love on the court. im not sure if its his rehab or what, but im starting to think maybe, just maybe they can compliment each other, somewhere down the line. need to see more first.

-our passing has improved 10 fold

-if brewer can become offensively efficient as a scorer, we would be winning probably 50% of our games. i really think the most important scorer in the offense we run is the wings, especially the 2 (now i say this probably because brewer gets open soo much because hes the least threatening player we have out there when we have our 'best lineup' on the court). If we had a good scoring 2 in the game, or if brewer can develop and shake whatever self-esteem issues hes acquired - awesome..




theres a lot more things i could say, just scratching the surface on a few tidbits here...
User avatar
big3_8_19_21
RealGM
Posts: 12,113
And1: 421
Joined: Jan 17, 2005

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#8 » by big3_8_19_21 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:26 am

JR Rider wrote:-i like the progression of flynn, love, jefferson, and especially gomes. i have said this repeatedly over time, and i believe gomes is the most complete player we have (not the most talented), and I would like to see him as a piece to the puzzle here long-term.


Would you say Gomes is more complete than Love? Those are easily our 2 most complete players.
Thriving on mediocrity since '89.
User avatar
Vindicater
General Manager
Posts: 7,948
And1: 423
Joined: Apr 11, 2004

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#9 » by Vindicater » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:28 am

JR Rider wrote:-if brewer can become offensively efficient as a scorer, we would be winning probably 50% of our games. i really think the most important scorer in the offense we run is the wings, especially the 2 (now i say this probably because brewer gets open soo much because hes the least threatening player we have out there when we have our 'best lineup' on the court). If we had a good scoring 2 in the game, or if brewer can develop and shake whatever self-esteem issues hes acquired - awesome.



Brewer will never be an efficient scorer.

Hes a defensive stopper off the bench.
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."
Worm Guts
Forum Mod - Timberwolves
Forum Mod - Timberwolves
Posts: 27,343
And1: 12,201
Joined: Dec 27, 2003
     

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#10 » by Worm Guts » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:52 pm

big3_8_19_21 wrote:
JR Rider wrote:-i like the progression of flynn, love, jefferson, and especially gomes. i have said this repeatedly over time, and i believe gomes is the most complete player we have (not the most talented), and I would like to see him as a piece to the puzzle here long-term.


Would you say Gomes is more complete than Love? Those are easily our 2 most complete players.


Why is Gomes a complete player? He's not a great passer or rebounder, he's OK defender I guess.
User avatar
karch34
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,887
And1: 864
Joined: Jul 05, 2001
Location: Valley of the Sun
     

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#11 » by karch34 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:59 pm

I will say that the team seems to be at least competing every game recently which is the biggest thing for us. Keeping that up and executing down the stretch which we did at Denver, but didn't last night is the next step.

Agree with all the other stuff. Hollins is looking like a talented project, heavy on the project part. Pavlovic is doing nothing.
allweneedisLOVE
Banned User
Posts: 2,742
And1: 27
Joined: Dec 06, 2009

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#12 » by allweneedisLOVE » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:48 pm

Gomes has been looking absolutely phenomenal on the offensive end lately. he's hitting all of his 18 footers, driving to the lane strong, hitting the occasional 3. He's really starting to impress me
User avatar
Foye
Club Captain- German Soccer
Posts: 25,056
And1: 3,613
Joined: Jul 29, 2008
Location: Frankfurt
 

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#13 » by Foye » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:36 pm

I agree. He needs to keep doing this all season long. 8-)
User avatar
deeney0
RealGM
Posts: 10,594
And1: 9
Joined: Jan 26, 2005
Location: Cambridge, MA

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#14 » by deeney0 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:03 pm

Gomes is streaky. He had a few good games. Don't bet on is last into January, let alone all season.
User avatar
Vindicater
General Manager
Posts: 7,948
And1: 423
Joined: Apr 11, 2004

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#15 » by Vindicater » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:54 am

deeney0 wrote:Gomes is streaky. He had a few good games. Don't bet on is last into January, let alone all season.


Thats it, rip on our only solid player to date this season/ :roll:
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."
User avatar
Vega06
Analyst
Posts: 3,743
And1: 0
Joined: Jul 07, 2006
Location: Queens, New York

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#16 » by Vega06 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:12 am

Vindicater wrote:
JR Rider wrote:-if brewer can become offensively efficient as a scorer, we would be winning probably 50% of our games. i really think the most important scorer in the offense we run is the wings, especially the 2 (now i say this probably because brewer gets open soo much because hes the least threatening player we have out there when we have our 'best lineup' on the court). If we had a good scoring 2 in the game, or if brewer can develop and shake whatever self-esteem issues hes acquired - awesome.



Brewer will never be an efficient scorer.

Hes a defensive stopper off the bench.


Name the last player Brewer "stopped".
Chi town
RealGM
Posts: 29,078
And1: 8,955
Joined: Aug 10, 2004

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#17 » by Chi town » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:12 am

I'd love to see you guys sign Gay or Joe Johnson via FA. You are one shooting scorer away from being a solid up and coming team that could sniff the playoffs.

You have PG, PF, and C all locked down for the next 10 years. Now you just need a BEST player at SG or SF to really put you over the top.
User avatar
Vindicater
General Manager
Posts: 7,948
And1: 423
Joined: Apr 11, 2004

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#18 » by Vindicater » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:28 am

Vega06 wrote:
Vindicater wrote:
JR Rider wrote:-if brewer can become offensively efficient as a scorer, we would be winning probably 50% of our games. i really think the most important scorer in the offense we run is the wings, especially the 2 (now i say this probably because brewer gets open soo much because hes the least threatening player we have out there when we have our 'best lineup' on the court). If we had a good scoring 2 in the game, or if brewer can develop and shake whatever self-esteem issues hes acquired - awesome.



Brewer will never be an efficient scorer.

Hes a defensive stopper off the bench.


Name the last player Brewer "stopped".


Let me rephrase... He should try to "become" a defensive stopper off the bench 8-)
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."
User avatar
deeney0
RealGM
Posts: 10,594
And1: 9
Joined: Jan 26, 2005
Location: Cambridge, MA

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#19 » by deeney0 » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:56 pm

Vindicater wrote:
deeney0 wrote:Gomes is streaky. He had a few good games. Don't bet on is last into January, let alone all season.


Thats it, rip on our only solid player to date this season/ :roll:


Solid? Gomes is exhibiting huge game-to-game variation, same as last year. He's averaging 12.4 ppg, but the standard deviations is 6.8 ppg. That's huge huge variation. Al, who no one would call consistent this year, has a standard deviation of 4.6 ppg.

Gomes, for some reason, exudes a "solid, dependable, consistent" vibe. It might be that he is far less likely to make big mistakes than other members of the Timberwolves, Al included. It might be the lack of other superlatives to give him. You certainly can't call him athletic or prolific or game changing, so he's consistent. It might be his haircut, I don't know. But he disappears for games on end.

Take last night for example. 4 points on 2 for 6 shooting, 1 board, 1 dime, 2 TOs in 29 minutes. I didn't watch the game but seems silent/invisible to me.
User avatar
Vindicater
General Manager
Posts: 7,948
And1: 423
Joined: Apr 11, 2004

Re: Team chemistry and balance. 

Post#20 » by Vindicater » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:28 am

So your gonna rip on a guy for deviation? I understand thats frustrating, but averages are still averages. He is still putting up 12 and 6 as a starter.

I dont want him as a starter but I think he is great as a sixth man.
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."

Return to Minnesota Timberwolves