It's time for Obie to go...

[Orlock78]

I have to say.. I REALLY like that idea of starting Hibbert and Foster together. It wouldn't work all the time, but teams would have a hell of a time trying to out rebound us.

[Lianbe]

It makes me sick seeing O'Brien so complacent on the sidelines. A team is nothing without a good coach and right now, even with the potential this team may have, they aren't going anywhere without a good coach to lead them.

We need someone... ANYONE... in there that will make everyone stop shooting 3-pointers every trip down the floor. I know O'Brien likes the 3-point game but it doesn't matter how many 3-pointers you throw up there if barely any of them go in.

Plus, maybe if someone else got in there we wouldn't have to see TJ Ford ball-hogging and throwing up crap shots instead of doing what a real PG does and passing it off.

[Reginald Wayne]

It makes me sick seeing O'Brien so complacent on the sidelines. A team is nothing without a good coach and right now, even with the potential this team may have, they aren't going anywhere without a good coach to lead them.

We need someone... ANYONE... in there that will make everyone stop shooting 3-pointers every trip down the floor. I know O'Brien likes the 3-point game but it doesn't matter how many 3-pointers you throw up there if barely any of them go in.

Plus, maybe if someone else got in there we wouldn't have to see TJ Ford ball-hogging and throwing up crap shots instead of doing what a real PG does and passing it off.

Yeah, man. I hate how he just kneels there and does nothing. He needs to be an assertive coach who gets on his players. Doesn't look like he's got the personallity.

[mizzoupacers]

It's the players, not the coach.

That said, it's disappointing to me that the Pacers are such a bad defensive team. You don't necessarily have to have a talented roster to be a solid defensive team. I think that defense, more so than offense, is dependent on coaching.

Regardless of how I feel about it, It's starting to look to me like this is going to be O'Brien's last year in Indiana.

[Granger da OG]

Does anyone listen to his post-game press conferences......i am convinced he may be mildly reatrded. He bascically dogged Psycho last night after his best game......and AND he acts like Ford played well........... ridiculous....

[elrod enchilada]

I am a Celtics fan, and I understand your frustration with O'Brien. He is ill-equipped to coach a team that is building for the future. He is all about winning now even to the detriment of the future. He should be coaching a team like the Spurs. In Boston, in 2002, he destroyed rookie Joe Johnson's confidence and then traded him for an aging Rodney Rogers, who was about to become a free agent. Even at the time it was a devastatingly short-sighted and idiotic move by a coach who would sacrifice future greatness for enhanced short-term mediocrity.

The Pacers are not winning the title this year or next year so all attention should be on getting the team to serious contention by 2011-12. Anyone on the roster now who is not part of the 2011-12 team is either benched, traded, or played to enhance trade value. If guys aren't part of the 2012 team they are of value to the extent they can be parlayed into other players, draft picks or cap space.

I love Larry (obviously) and I like many of your players. Granger is a stud and Hansbrough is the real deal. You guys can become a very good team. But you need a coach who is with the program, not fighting it. The idea is to win titles, not go 43-39 and get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.

[Miller4ever]

We'd be lucky to get 43 wins at this point.

[Dunthreevy]

It's the players, not the coach.

That was a joke right? I agree that the players are to blame also, but to say that it's not the coach is ridiculous. It's a combination of not a lot of talent, and a "coach" that has no idea what he's doing while he kneels over there on his towel every game.

[Miller4ever]

^^The rest of his post clarified his position.

[Reginald Wayne]

It's the players, not the coach.

That was a joke right? I agree that the players are to blame also, but to say that it's not the coach is ridiculous. It's a combination of not a lot of talent, and a "coach" that has no idea what he's doing while he kneels over there on his towel every game.

Even if it is the players....then it's the coach's job to bench the players who are to blame, right? Example: TJ Ford. O'brien continues to play this guy over Watson and Price even though he does absolutely nothing. Every game Ford's +/- is -15 or so and Watson and Price have positive +/-.
O'brien sucks big time.

I think both coach and players are to blame. But I'd rather get rid of the coach ( and ford)

[Dunthreevy]

It's the players, not the coach.

That was a joke right? I agree that the players are to blame also, but to say that it's not the coach is ridiculous. It's a combination of not a lot of talent, and a "coach" that has no idea what he's doing while he kneels over there on his towel every game.

Even if it is the players....then it's the coach's job to bench the players who are to blame, right? Example: TJ Ford. O'brien continues to play this guy over Watson and Price even though he does absolutely nothing. Every game Ford's +/- is -15 or so and Watson and Price have positive +/-.
O'brien sucks big time.

I think both coach and players are to blame. But I'd rather get rid of the coach ( and ford)

Exactly! I think at this point, we should begin referring to T.J. Ford as "T.O. Ford". It's only right.

[Miller4ever]

T.O. Yes.

[basketballwacko2]

T.O. Yes.

As in Team Obliterator!

[Dunthreevy]

T.O. Yes.

As in Team Obliterator!

I was just thinking in reference to his inability to control the ball, T.O. = turnover. But team obliterator works as well.

[Miller4ever]

Teammate oblivious?

[Boneman2]

O'Brien is not a bad coach really. I have seen glimpses of his style being effective, but this team has had too many instances where key players are injured for long stretches. His job summary over the last three seasons has been to throw a pile of s*#% against the wall and hope it sticks.

[Dunthreevy]

O'Brien is not a bad coach really. I have seen glimpses of his style being effective, but this team has had too many instances where key players are injured for long stretches. His job summary over the last three seasons has been to throw a pile of s*#% against the wall and hope it sticks.

Before this season I never really mentioned wanting to get rid of O'Brien. However, this season he seems just as complacent and bored as the players on the court. He has absolutely no offensive or defensive scheme for the players to run. At the Portland game the other night, there were 3 offensive plays in a row where we brought the ball up and he called "4 down", "3 up", "4 down" as the play for the offense to run. We didn't score on any of those possessions. I have no idea what "4 down" or "3 up" mean, but I know they appeared to mean "everyone stand around and dribble the clock out until we have to take a bad shot".

[Kuq_e_Zi91]

Yeah, I've heard that 4 Down before, too.

I remember one time that he called it, it resulted in Danny (who was playing the 4 at the time) posting up. The other team came with the double, and Danny dished it to Hansbrough who was forced to attempt a three as the shot clock was running out.

Just a wild guess, maybe it means posting up the 4?

It's a system predicated on motion and when no one is moving... well, it's ugly.

[Granger da OG]

"Will there be a time the other group gives us the best chance? We hope so," O'Brien said. "But T.J. has won a lot of games for us down the stretch. A.J. hasn't won any games for us down the stretch."

How many games has TJ won for us? 4, 5 maybe

How many games has TJ lost for us? 20-25

Keep up the good work JOB