Posey for Farmar and Sasha

[LAKERS_1981]

How about this trade.
We do it becaus Posey can still play some D and he can hitt the open shot(he is not geting many open looks in New orleans). We dont need Farmar becaus we have Brown to help Fisher and Sasha sucks.
Hornets do this becaus Farmar will be gone after the season(and they love saving money) and Sasha has just one more season left(Posey has 2). Hornest dont need some old player when they aret going for the ring.

[cashflo]

uuuuuuuuugh! nahhhhhhhhhhh!
Our weakness is at point.

Ammo, Sasha and second round pick
for
Posey and Collison

in a heart beat

IBTL

[snaquille oatmeal]

uuuuuuuuugh! nahhhhhhhhhhh!
Our weakness is at point.

Ammo, Sasha and second round pick
for
Posey and Collison

in a heart beat

IBTL

backseat mod much?

[laduane1]

18-3, not sure the Lakers need to mess up the chemistry right now. It would be great to a little more bench strenght. We all dream of a better team and one that will be so strong that we would be a sure fire lock to win it all. With Kobe finger, he might need to miss some games if it gets worse, we need all the guards we have.

[That Nicka]

Posey sucks now.. and we have Artest

[iamworthy]

uuuuuuuuugh! nahhhhhhhhhhh!
Our weakness is at point.

Ammo, Sasha and second round pick
for
Posey and Collison

in a heart beat

IBTL

backseat mod much?

Snaq...he's new ...anyhow...hell no to that trade! Then again...he understood ibtl..

[chefy]

nah we need farmar

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

No.

[DoctaJ]

Why?

Yes, I am asking why, because the reasons you stated make no sense for us.

[ALL HAIL]

Anyone who opposes that trade is smoking hot rocks!

Like duane said, it's hard to mess with chemistry.

However, unlike what duane said, WE NEED A GUY LIKE POSEY because of any possible unjury to Kobe and Artest. Farmar and Vujacic will not help us AT ALL if Kobe or Artest go down ... Posey most definitely WILL.

You have to do this if it is on the table.

Some of you all are so short-sided: "Posey sucks" "We need Farmar" Asking "why?"

Posey is in the exact same mold as Fisher, Horry, BShaw, and Rick Fox ... intangible winners who flourish on the big stage. Posey is bored on the Hornets right now in the same way that Horry was bored plaing for the Lakers in the regular season. We most definitely need Posey.

Farmar is so effin predictable. He is playing good right now and if he stays, he will probably hit at least one BIG shot in the playoffs (just like Sasha did in his contract year).

Don't get it twisted though, dont be fooled (all that glitters ain't gold).

Farmar is only focused right now because he wants out and knows he must swallow his pride right now in order to appease Phil so he can hopefully get more minutes so he can ultimately get himself PAID! I'm not mad at him. But don't be fooled into being one of the guys that thinks WE should pay him ... we shouldn't.

With Farmar, I have always been that guy (ever since we drafted him) that said he will never be a good fit for us unless he humbles himself and changes his game completely. He's too hard headed for that.

The only drawback of the trade is not losing Farmar and PG depth (Farmar is easily replaceble), the drawback of a trade like this is paying the extra money for Posey. I'd do it because Posey (with two rings already) gives us a ridiculous swag IMO and gives us PERFECT defensive insurance in case Kobe and/or Arest go down.

Come on ya'll use your heads. At least give some legitimate reasons as to why this shouldn't happen like the extra money we spend, the Hornets not wanting Vujacic, the Hornets not wanting another LA based PG (the already have Westchester's Bobby Brown and Collison out of Rancho) ... please say something intelligent and thoughtful.

[Mamba Venom]

Dude I did the same thing that high school kid did to LeBron in the summer.

[Mamba Venom]

Wrong thread

The new terminator movies center around the machines going back in time to take out Posey, Bird & Russell. Laker fans control the terminators.

[larry14r]

Anyone who opposes that trade is smoking hot rocks!

Like duane said, it's hard to mess with chemistry.

However, unlike what duane said, WE NEED A GUY LIKE POSEY because of any possible unjury to Kobe and Artest. Farmar and Vujacic will not help us AT ALL if Kobe or Artest go down ... Posey most definitely WILL.

You have to do this if it is on the table.

Some of you all are so short-sided: "Posey sucks" "We need Farmar" Asking "why?"

Posey is in the exact same mold as Fisher, Horry, BShaw, and Rick Fox ... intangible winners who flourish on the big stage. Posey is bored on the Hornets right now in the same way that Horry was bored plaing for the Lakers in the regular season. We most definitely need Posey.

Farmar is so effin predictable. He is playing good right now and if he stays, he will probably hit at least one BIG shot in the playoffs (just like Sasha did in his contract year).

Don't get it twisted though, dont be fooled (all that glitters ain't gold).

Farmar is only focused right now because he wants out and knows he must swallow his pride right now in order to appease Phil so he can hopefully get more minutes so he can ultimately get himself PAID! I'm not mad at him. But don't be fooled into being one of the guys that thinks WE should pay him ... we shouldn't.

With Farmar, I have always been that guy (ever since we drafted him) that said he will never be a good fit for us unless he humbles himself and changes his game completely. He's too hard headed for that.

The only drawback of the trade is not losing Farmar and PG depth (Farmar is easily replaceble), the drawback of a trade like this is paying the extra money for Posey. I'd do it because Posey (with two rings already) gives us a ridiculous swag IMO and gives us PERFECT defensive insurance in case Kobe and/or Arest go down.

Come on ya'll use your heads. At least give some legitimate reasons as to why this shouldn't happen like the extra money we spend, the Hornets not wanting Vujacic, the Hornets not wanting another LA based PG (the already have Westchester's Bobby Brown and Collison out of Rancho) ... please say something intelligent and thoughtful.

Ok then how about this Posey is on decline there I said it becuse why no other team was willing to give Posey the 4th year on that contract that NO was dumb enough to give him. As for the other points you made well you answered your question because the Hornets don't want Sasha, and finally the reason why the Lakers don't want him is because of all the hell he put us thorugh especially when he was a Celtic which I lost all respect for him there.

[ALL HAIL]

^So we don't want players that play good against us? How do I put this nicely? THAT"S STUPID! You must be like 15 or something.

Your other points are fair. Posey might be on the decline a bit but I just think he's bored. And New Orleans might not ever do this deal because they probably would never want Vujacic on their team, even if it saves them alot of money.

[Slava]

That contract is too ugly to take on at this point. I'm all for doing a Sasha swap for him just to give them one less year on a similar contract but not an expiring like Ammo or someone worthy like Farmar. To be fair, Farmar is the only guy off the bench who can create his own shot and off late being the only true point in this team, he's getting a bigger chunk of the PG rotation.

Ammo + Farmar package is available for a starting PG nothing less. Posey's value doesn't merit the package you guys are putting up.

[ALL HAIL]

^No disrespect intended but are you one of those guys who was calling for Farmar's head over the last six or seven months?

If not, cool.

But if you were, shame on you ... and anyone else for that matter who all of sudden feels like (money aside) Farmar is worth more than Posey.

Again, if you are not that dude, my humblest apologies.

Regardless though, I feel that Posey is a crunchtime, intangible, playoff, and championship level player. I really don't care what his current numbers are. As long as he hasn't had a MAJOR injury recently, isn't old as hell, isn't suffering from emotional trauma and/or isn't VASTLY overweight, he is worth WAY more to me than Farmar.

Please don't let a few good games taint your vision of what Farmar is ... a solid NBA PG in a much different system than ours. He might be a consistent ball player in this league one day, it just won't be on the Lakers.

If you can find a better deal for a better player (PG or swingman) then fine, but this deal (Farmar and Vujacic for Posey) fills a definite need on this team (while adding about 8 mill total in salary before tax -- while Hinrich for example would add about 13 mill total before the tax).

Which would you rather do? I could make an arguement that Hinrich is playing worse than Posey and he has never played an integral role in winning a single championship, much less two.

[daddyfivestar]

What happened to the trade thread? Has the Laker board been reduced to Milw and Memph level threading? Guys, better put a "TI" in front of your idea or the soup nazi's will crack down.
Ouch.

[Slava]

^No disrespect intended but are you one of those guys who was calling for Farmar's head over the last six or seven months?

If not, cool.

But if you were, shame on you ... and anyone else for that matter who all of sudden feels like (money aside) Farmar is worth more than Posey.

Again, if you are not that dude, my humblest apologies.

Regardless though, I feel that Posey is a crunchtime, intangible, playoff, and championship level player. I really don't care what his current numbers are. As long as he hasn't had a MAJOR injury recently, isn't old as hell, isn't suffering from emotional trauma and/or isn't VASTLY overweight, he is worth WAY more to me than Farmar.

Please don't let a few good games taint your vision of what Farmar is ... a solid NBA PG in a much different system than ours. He might be a consistent ball player in this league one day, it just won't be on the Lakers.

Frustrated with his play and attitude? Yes but I never questioned his quality and I was a fan of him from his college days. (Check Username ). Farmar is our only true point since Nick The Quick and if he does take the step to be efficient in our offense, good or else there are better options to do with him than Posey.

Seriously combine an expiring contract (Ammo) with an athletic young PG (he's only 23) who can play in an uptempo offense and make the 3 pt shot at a consistent level and you can get very good return for your value from more than 8 teams that are looking to shed every penny they can towards the impending free agency.

If you can find a better deal for a better player (PG or swingman) then fine, but this deal (Farmar and Vujacic for Posey) fills a definite need on this team (while adding about 8 mill total in salary before tax -- while Hinrich for example would add about 13 mill total before the tax).

Which would you rather do? I could make an arguement that Hinrich is playing worse than Posey and he has never played an integral role in winning a single championship, much less two.

How does Posey fill any need of ours? He'd be filling up the SF rotation which we are already heavy at with Artest/Luke who we cannot get rid of and Kobe/LO who can play minutes there.

Is Posey still quick enough to guard SGs & PGs? I don't think so.
Do we need him to guard SFs and PFs? No. Is he filling our biggest void in terms of PG defense? No. Then we are just overloading in an area where we are already strong at.

Can he atleast spread the floor better than Sasha can? He's only shot 40% and close for 2 seasons in his career. So why pay such a steep price to sign a vet when we already have enough leadership with Fisher/Kobe/LO & Pau? If anything he'll eat into LO's minutes and cause more disruption in team chemistry.

Also how is Hinrich in his 6th season worse than Posey when the only team he has played with is the mediocre Chicago Bulls? He's made very good contributions in terms of defense and leadership in all their playoff performances since beating Miami and stretching Boston to 7 games.

[ALL HAIL]

First of all, I think you are overrating Farmar. Well let me clarify that: I think you are overrating his value to other teams. I think we agree that Farmar can be a quality PG in the right system. But I don't think other teams see him as a potential starting PG for their team.

Their are sooo many good quality PGs that are signed to contracts in the league right now, with the exception of NY, I just don't see many teams looking at Farmar as an asset other than his 2 mill expiring.

I think we have to guard against over valuing our players and look more realistically at their real value.

[ALL HAIL]

With regards to Posey, he DOES fill a need. We need a SG/SF who can defend. It doesn't have to be Posey. Hell it could be Laron Profit.

We need a defensive swingman because we have no defensive dept behind Kobe and Artest.

If one of them goes down we will be forced to give Walton and/or Vujacic major minutes, which means we'll be playing two guys big minutes who are both liabilities on offense and defense.

Posey and Artest can play together in a heartbeat if we were to lose Kobe for a few games.

You disappoint me. It is abundantly clear to me that the Lakers really, really need some insurance behind the teams' two most important players (Kobe and Artest). Why can't you see that?

You'll probably only see it when Walton and Vujacic are playing close to thirty minutes a game because of injury.