Jose Calderon - What now?

[heemer]

I don't know if I can stomach another full fledged point guard controversy.

[orangutooth]

hate on jose if you want but dude was probably the best back up pg when he was a backup. if we just have him and jack switch roles then the team will get better. he'll go back to tearing up the 2nd class pg's in the nba (as long as he truly gets healthy).

for now we can play banks or move beli to the 1 spot.

[Yosemite Dan]

Defensively the thought of having Jose as your starter, with a bad hip (actually I'll bet my last dollar it's his groin again), is a recipe for disaster. When the Raps actually have to admit that it's his groin again, (if they say it's a hip he still retains some trade value) then he becomes untradeable until he goes under the knife.

In other words don't expect Jose back this season. By the end of the month the team will announce he has to undergo surgery to fix this groin once and for all, we hope, or we are stuck with one hell of an albatross contract for the next couple of years.

[DarkKnight]

You know what's funny? You guys all talk about Jarrett pushing the ball/tempo, penetrating, finding their teammates for alley-oop or plays that leads to an easy dunk, but guess what, Jose does all these things better and more efficiently, though you guys don't want to hear this because you just follow and hear what others have to say. Don't believe me? How about I prove it?

25% of Jarrett's points have come from inside. 30% of Jose's point have come from inside. Looks to me Jose is the one who's penetrating more to the basket.

How about assists that leads to an easy bucket? 26 close assists and 8 dunk assists for Jarrett. Jose 43 dunk assists and 17 dunk assists.

Defense, you all say Jarrett is a better defender, but he isn't. Look at their defensive DRtg and compare, it's similar. Hell, don't need to compare them on the Raptors, go back and check when Jarrett was playing for the Trailblazers and Pacers, it's comparable to Calderon.

How come no one brought up about Jennings lighting it up on Jarrett and beating him off the dribble? If it was Jose, you'll all be on him tearing him apart to pieces. Hell, go back to the Washington game, Gilbert lit up Jarrett as well? Where's this defensive improvement that I keep hearing? Even Crawford, Bibby and Teague lit up Jack as well. People brought up Jose on Friday, but where was Jarrett?

I have mad respect for each and every Raptor, but ****, give credit where it’s due and don’t go hiding when you say something and it’s wrong. It would help if you guys watched the game and don’t follow what others have to say too…

A lot of your stats are coming from 82games.com. They update erratically and are at least 2 full games, including today, behind. Since these have been some of Jarrett's best games, when he's been playing with the starters, that would skew the stats. And as someone else mentioned, assist numbers can be misleading when one guy plays with bosh and the other guy plays with Amir Johnson.

And to even suggest that Jose and Jack are comparable on defense shows such a lack of basketball understanding that it's laughable.

[Tofubeque]

If we're looking at 5 years of Turk and Bargs, and ideally Bosh as well, it seem pretty clear Jack is a better fit as point guard moving forward for us. Younger, better defense, more athletic. Plays his role well.

Calderon has value coming off the bench; I wouldn't trade him unless we're filling a serious need in return or getting expiring contracts for 2010. I don't see those happening, not this season.

[EG73]

I think it's more important to have depth at the PG position than other positions. It's easier to move players from PF to SF, from SF to SG, etc, but PG is a more 'exclusive' or 'unique' position.
If a team has 2 good PG ,it's 48 minutes of 'quality-PG time' per game if both are healthy, and 35-45 if one is injured.
If a team has 1 good PG, it's 35-45 min of 'quality-PG time' per game if the PG is healthy, and 0 if the PG is injured.
So I wouldn't suggest to trade away a PG. And for the same reason, I was disapointed with the trade of TJ for 'just another big' (3-4-5).

Hope this was understandable. Sorry for my bad english.

Eric

[Hypz]

Jose is going to come back more motivated. If he continues to struggle, I could see him being demoted to bench.

[Wasp]

The only real course of action here is to give Calderon all the rest he needs and not rush him back. Not only will this let him heal fully and subsequently up his trade value when he returns, but it'll also give us an extended look at Jack as a starter.

Once Calderon comes back, I think you have to put him back on the bench. If our team looks better that way, you keep him there. Calderon is not the kind of player to complain about not starting, we saw it during the TJ years and I bet you we'll see it again. He got his contract and whether you like his play or not, he has proven to be nothing less than a class-act and a team player.

Once he's back to being our backup, we listen intently to any trade offers and take the BEST one we can find, not the FIRST one. If he is playing well at back up, we can wait until the deadline and dangle him. The way injuries can occur in the NBA, if a contending team has their PG go down before the deadline, someone like Jose will be a hot commodity.

[dagger]

It's starting to smell a lot like 2 years ago....

The difference is that whatever the solution, Jose and Jarrett will be cool with it, and if Jose goes to the bench, he won't throw a hissy fit or behave like an eight year old brat who's had his toy truck taken away.

[EG73]

I agree with you Wasp.
But what would you expect/want from a contender, in exchange for Calderon :
- a draft pick ? (probably no lottery pick)
- another starter-caliber player (not from a contender)
- another PF ? (don't need it)
- another PG ? (if Jose leave, this would be our priority, but I don't think this kind of trade could happen)

This could happens in a 3-teams trade, or be an opportunity to trade him with a player with a bad contract. But I don't see other possibility


Sorry for my bad english.
Eric

[Wasp]

I agree with you Wasp.
But what would you expect/want from a contender, in exchange for Calderon :
- a draft pick ? (probably no lottery pick)
- another starter-caliber player (not from a contender)
- another PF ? (don't need it)
- another PG ? (if Jose leave, this would be our priority, but I don't think this kind of trade could happen)

This could happens in a 3-teams trade, or be an opportunity to trade him with a player with a bad contract. But I don't see other possibility


Sorry for my bad english.
Eric

I think our biggest needs now are:
- Backup big
- Backup SF (legit SF, not SG who plays the 3)
- Backup PG

Draft picks would be nice, but mostly we want to pick up a young player and a nice bench player who fits into our rotation. This works in the trade machine:

Calderon (TOR) for Harpring and Maynor (UTA)

This would be a nice trade for us IMO (I might get flamed to hell - I just fooled around in the trade machine and this was one of the first things I came up with), because it gives us a legit backup 3 in Harpring who can come in, play big and give us some hustle AND a nice young backup PG with upside in Maynor. Now, whether UTA would ever do this is another question but that's the kind of package I think we'd be looking at. We're not gonna get top value if we trade him now. It'll basically be Calderon for:

- Rotation player + mid/late 1st
- Rotation player + young player
- 1-for-1 with a similarly talented / salaried player

[J Dilla]

It's starting to smell a lot like 2 years ago....

The difference is that whatever the solution, Jose and Jarrett will be cool with it, and if Jose goes to the bench, he won't throw a hissy fit or behave like an eight year old brat who's had his toy truck taken away.

Well, Jose was kinda bitching about the situation when he went to Spain and he clearly said he didn't want to play with Ford.

No one's losing their starting position yet, but any player who loses his job will naturally be pissed off about it.

[Harry Palmer]

I like Jack's type of player a lot more than Jose's, but people are really getting carried away with him right now.