MIN-POR-HOU

[shrink]

HOU GIVES: Battier ($7) + McGrady ($23)
HOU GETS: POR Expirings ($7) + MIN Expirings ($19)

POR GIVES: Expiring ($7) + rights to Claver
POR GETS: Battier ($7)

MIN GIVES: Expirings ($19)
MIN GETS: McGrady's expiring ($23) + rights to Claver

HOU Savings:
$4.0 mil Salary
$3.0 mil Lux Taxes
$4.6 mil Lux Share
$11.6 mil 2009-10 Savings
$7.4 mil 2010-11 Savings (No Battier)
$19 mil TOTAL SAVINGS

In addition, moving Battier means they are at $38 mil in guaranteed salary + cap hold in 2010, so they could be a player in free agency. They should probably include more - maybe a protected 1st to MIN.

POR gets Battier to win now, at the cost of Claver. Claver's a nice prospect, but he's been inconsistent, he's injured, he carries a cap hold during the summer, and he doesn't help POR win now like Battier.

MIN buys Claver for $4 mil of their cap space, to encourage Rubio to come over a year earlier. They've barely played together, but another Spanierd on the team may make him feel more comfortable.

[Krapinsky]

Two concerns --

Houston is just as much in a position to win now as Portland.

Minnesota pays $4 million for the rights to Claver? I don't see anything positive from bringing McGrady on board because i really do not want to resign him.


Shrink I have a trade that I thought of last night but i can't seem to pull off anything that works unders the CBA -- The gist is a 4 team trade with POR, CHA, NY, MIN

Por gets Lee, NY gets Augustin, Cha gets Miller and MN helps with expirings to NY and gets an asset in return from Portland.

Maybe you can help with that one. I would appreciate it.

[shrink]

Perhaps including Gomes in the expirings would make some sense, with HOU's pick coming to us. $19 mil is a lot of savings, so I think including the pick seems fair. Gomes could be helpful in their fast-paced offense as well.

Claver was the #22 pick last year, but when he comes over, starts on a rookie scale deal. He's injured right now though -- $4 seemed reasonable to me.

[funkatron101]

You are getting lazy shrink. At least post who the expirings are.

Houston fans like Battier and insist that they aren't in money saving mode. They will need some other incentive if they are losing Battier, I think.

[the_bruce]

Shrink I have a trade that I thought of last night but i can't seem to pull off anything that works unders the CBA -- The gist is a 4 team trade with POR, CHA, NY, MIN

Por gets Lee, NY gets Augustin, Cha gets Miller and MN helps with expirings to NY and gets an asset in return from Portland.

Maybe you can help with that one. I would appreciate it.

This is rough because of Lee's BYC status. This is the best I could come up with in 10 minutes

NYK IN: (save 12m this year)
Aug, Chandler, Blount, Cards, Wilkins, Pecherov, brewer, pavlovic

PDX in:
Lee, Jawai

CHA in:
Miller, Curry

MN in:
Milicic, Mobley, Hughes


CHA in curry for chandler. They were rumored to want Curry last year.

NYK saves tons of cash. Doesn't appear to hurt next years cap.

MN Mobleys contract is covered by insurance, but this is salary neutral as the wolves take back 6m extra salary this year.

I cant do any better without spending tons of time computing salaries by hand

[the_bruce]

side note.

Hou is a better trade partner than MN for this sort of deal.

[shrink]

I love the trade value you are creating, by sending players to where they will be worth more. With this much trade value, it should be possible to make a trade that even most of the RealGM forum would approve. One problem though. I like Lee in POR, but their posters don't believe they will be able to retain him next season, so I'm curious what they'd pay.

[shrink]

You are getting lazy shrink. :lol: At least post who the expirings are.

Houston fans like Battier and insist that they aren't in money saving mode. They will need some other incentive if they are losing Battier, I think.

I don't think the loudest HOU poster is realistic when it comes to his team completely ignoring money. $19 mil is a lot of money .. Battier is not worth that much.

Oh, and you're right about me being lazy. I posted this as a demonstration to help someone else's deal, and though it'd be interesting for some readers here. It definitely needs flesh on the bones.

[Krapinsky]

Shrink I have a trade that I thought of last night but i can't seem to pull off anything that works unders the CBA -- The gist is a 4 team trade with POR, CHA, NY, MIN

Por gets Lee, NY gets Augustin, Cha gets Miller and MN helps with expirings to NY and gets an asset in return from Portland.

Maybe you can help with that one. I would appreciate it.

This is rough because of Lee's BYC status. This is the best I could come up with in 10 minutes

NYK IN: (save 12m this year)
Aug, Chandler, Blount, Cards, Wilkins, Pecherov, brewer, pavlovic

PDX in:
Lee, Jawai

CHA in:
Miller, Curry

MN in:
Milicic, Mobley, Hughes


CHA in curry for chandler. They were rumored to want Curry last year.

NYK saves tons of cash. Doesn't appear to hurt next years cap.

MN Mobleys contract is covered by insurance, but this is salary neutral as the wolves take back 6m extra salary this year.

I cant do any better without spending tons of time computing salaries by hand

Wow, no wonder I couldn't pull it off. I ddin't realize Lee was BYC -- i think that's what was throwing me off. Thanks for the help Bruce

[funkatron101]

You are getting lazy shrink. At least post who the expirings are.

Houston fans like Battier and insist that they aren't in money saving mode. They will need some other incentive if they are losing Battier, I think.

I don't think the loudest HOU poster is realistic when it comes to his team completely ignoring money. $19 mil is a lot of money .. Battier is not worth that much.

Agreed. I just think that fans have a tough time swallowing financial savings when their team is exceeding expectations. They have a good shot at making the playoffs and trading Battier off can ruin that.

[Worm Guts]

That's something you've got evaluate when you consider this trade. Battier may not be worth 19 million dollars, but how much is it going to cost you to cut the legs out from under a playoff team? That's terrible PR.

[shrink]

Personally I don't think Battier is crucial to the new running style that HOU is being successful with these days, and it certainly wouldn't cut the legs out of that team. In fact, I think his decline probably has something to do with HOU's new style. However, I think that Battier would be a much better fit for what POR is trying to do.

Stick Gomes in the expiring pile, and include HOU's first. I think Gomes might be a better fit anyway -- he can certainly keep up with those youngin's.

[the_bruce]

I'm not in favor of trading gomes at all. He and session are such bargains even with a reduced salary cap.

Gomes will never be seen as good as some of the higher caliber 3's like butler, crash, etc. But he's also paid roughly half of what they make and produces about the same offensively. They all might be better defenders than gomes, but he's shown good defense against some very good players. Gomes also has a high bbiq and I think that high IQ will suit our new system more.

If MN trades Sessions or Gomes. I expect an upgrade, not a lateral move. I think crash & the other SF's in that salary range are lateral and I love butler & crash is one of my fav players.

With gomes we pay a guy 4-5m a year, but he produces similar to a guy making 8-10m.

With sessions we pay a guy 4m a year, but he produces similar to a guy making 6-10m.

MN probably saves ~7m over similar production "better" players.

I love the trade value you are creating, by sending players to where they will be worth more. With this much trade value, it should be possible to make a trade that even most of the RealGM forum would approve. One problem though. I like Lee in POR, but their posters don't believe they will be able to retain him next season, so I'm curious what they'd pay.

With PDX's recent injuries and miller not fitting into the scheme this seems like a good deal for them.
Basicly Miller for Lee (rental).

On MN's end it's simply moving expirings around. No benefit imo. I think if it was a 5 teamer with HOU included. You could send the expirings coming to MN for tmac and drop them under the lux + they get mobleys contract. Saving them what looks to be close to 20m this year. Tons of value. MN could get some use with TMac and he'd bring ppl to the games. Hou saving that much cash would definately need to send more value.

It's a good proposition for all teams if worked correctly, but would take time to iron all the wrinkles out.

[revprodeji]

No.

Simple as that.

[Varejao17]

Not a good trade IMO...

[mnWI]

In Darryl Morey's system of player evaluation, Shane Battier is grossly underpaid and as valuable on the court as most all-stars.