Posey for Farmar and Sasha

[larry14r]

With regards to Posey, he DOES fill a need. We need a SG/SF who can defend. It doesn't have to be Posey. Hell it could be Laron Profit.

We need a defensive swingman because we have no defensive dept behind Kobe and Artest.

If one of them goes down we will be forced to give Walton and/or Vujacic major minutes, which means we'll be playing two guys big minutes who are both liabilities on offense and defense.

Posey and Artest can play together in a heartbeat if we were to lose Kobe for a few games.

You disappoint me. It is abundantly clear to me that the Lakers really, really need some insurance behind the teams' two most important players (Kobe and Artest). Why can't you see that?

You'll probably only see it when Walton and Vujacic are playing close to thirty minutes a game because of injury.

Ok then I have a better idea for you

Lakers get Randy Foyle (from the Wiz), and Donnell Wright (from the Heat)
Wiz get Famar, and Morrsion (from the Lakers), and Trade X from the Heat
Heat gets DeShawn Stevenson

So we that we get what we want a big PG that Phil likes, and a athletic swingman in Wright that we need, and the other two teams won't lose any cap space because those contracts will all expire after this year. So if you still what Posey fine, but I giving you another idea if either Posey doesn't workout or add to this idea I have by just trading Sasha for Posey because salaries do match if you do that alone.

[ALL HAIL]

I would hate for this to get locked (omen), I want to discuss the idea of acquiring a guy "like" Posey over Jordan Farmar.

I respect your idea larry but I hate to open Pandora's Box. The biggest problem with trade ideas is the fact that guys don't look at them objectively.

There has to be a REASON that all teams involved are pulling the trigger.

The original idea of Farmar, Vujacic for Posey satisfies a need for the Lakers and saves the Hornets 7 mill before tax. Thus, that trade idea at the very least has some merit on both sides.

Your new idea, although I respect it, is CLEARLY based on you being a Lakers fan and I would hate for your idea and other guys posting biased trade ideas to prevent a dude like myself from being able to discuss the merits of one player over another with regards to how they FIT with this team we love.

Note: Vujacic for Posey is a fair idea (fair meaning it serves a need for both parties), but why on God's green earth would the Heat take on salary in DeShawn Stevenson, when they want to go shopping this summer. That's your mistake.

Also, to be absolutely fair, my mistake is that in my haste to be objective and make things equitable for all parties, I can sometimes post some ideas on realGM that are "too" sweet for the other team. Nobody's perfect.

[Slava]

So your entire idea is based on the fact that we might need cover if we lose Kobe or Artest for a duration of time and you propose a trade that'd make us threadbare at the PG spot, our weakest position in the rotation?

Do you think D Fish can handle 30 mins a game and still be fresh for the playoffs? Or if Fish goes down, would you want Shannon, who is neither a consistent ball handler or someone who can soak up the pressure of being a PG to do that on heavier minutes?

There is a reason Phil started Farmar when Derek Fisher was suspended in the playoffs last season. Shannon is a great energy guy off the bench but making him a full time PG is setting him up for fail. Infact how many minutes is he playing as back up SG right now? I bet that's more than his PG minutes anyway.

[larry14r]

I would hate for this to get locked (omen), I want to discuss the idea of acquiring a guy "like" Posey over Jordan Farmar.

I respect your idea larry but I hate to open Pandora's Box. The biggest problem with trade ideas is the fact that guys don't look at them objectively.

There has to be a REASON that all teams involved are pulling the trigger.

The original idea of Farmar, Vujacic for Posey satisfies a need for the Lakers and saves the Hornets 7 mill before tax. Thus, that trade idea at the very least has some merit on both sides.

Your new idea, although I respect it, is CLEARLY based on you being a Lakers fan and I would hate for your idea and other guys posting biased trade ideas to prevent a dude like myself from being able to discuss the merits of one player over another with regards to how they FIT with this team we love.

Note: Vujacic for Posey is a fair idea (fair meaning it serves a need for both parties), but why on God's green earth would the Heat take on salary in DeShawn Stevenson, when they want to go shopping this summer. That's your mistake.

Also, to be absolutely fair, my mistake is that in my haste to be objective and make things equitable for all parties, I can sometimes post some ideas on realGM that are "too" sweet for the other team. Nobody's perfect.

Well we need another guard if we trade Farmar in any deal, and if we do your idea then we have to Morrison for a PG no questions about it or have the Hornets give us another PG in any deal for Posey.

[ALL HAIL]

One thing is clear, you understand my position. However, this isn't MY trade proposal. I am merely responding to the myriad of what I deemed to be silly responses (yours not included) to the idea.

Now then, this is where I will probably lose you completely.

First off, I don't want to beat a dead horse but WE DON'T NEED A PG, we just need a guy to guard PGs and hit jump shots.

Let me be clear, it would be really nice if we had a guy who could defend PGs, hit shots AND be a playmaker too, but we really don't NEED it or have to have it to win a ring.

We didn't have it to win a ring last year (when let me remind you Shannon practically took all of Farmar's minutes with the exception of that one playoff game in Houston), we didn't have a traditional playmaker the year before when we almost (doesn't count) won it and we never had a traditional PG with Shaq.

We don't need a traditional PG, never have and never will as long as they run the triangle and have other (Artest, Odom, Kobe, Gasol) facilitators on the floor.

Secondly, with the idea that we don't need a traditional PG in mind, I feel as though Farmar is EASILY replaceable. I know you're thinking I'm crazy, but hear me out.

Shannon Brown came to the Lakers having never played PG in his whole life and during the playoffs, mind you, supplanted Farmar after only two months of learning the triangle.

I'll say it again, Farmar, to me, is easily replaceable. Any tweener, out of work, combo guard that the league has branded as being too short to play SG yet not cerebral enough to play PG will do.

Trust me, there are a million Shannon Browns out there that could be much more productive than Jordan Farmar in this system.

But, again, I really don't expect you to feel me. You probably won't acknowledge I'm right until next year, when Farmar is on the Knicks and the Lakers are ballin with guys like Quincy Douby (who I think would be perfect), Salim Stoudamaire, Luther Head, Jack McClinton, or Mike Taylor.

Hell if you want a traditonal PG who really fits the system (but can't shoot), Antonio Daniels woiuld sign in a heart beat if Farmar were ever dealt. There are plenty of options at that PG spot ... no doubt.

[Slava]

Well first of all I'm not saying Farmar is irreplaceable. I wouldn't mind trading him if it were to make us better but I just don't think Posey is the right package. Any return in this kind of trade should land us someone who can take over a huge chunk of the PG minutes and contribute well on this team right away or towards the playoffs.

We have been masking our lack of quality with quantity at the PG position and if you think Fisher/Shannon can get the job done, that's an even harsh judgment than our lack of depth at SG. Why bring in guys like Antonio Daniels to further patch up a leaking hole when you might have the opportunity to fix it completely.

Do we need to pay MLE money to a guy to get 12-15 mins at back up SG/SF spot? Like you said a Laron Profit kind of guy can pretty well do the job.

Sasha for Posey is a fair trade but adding any more is overpaying for a guy NO would get rid of in a heartbeat.

[ALL HAIL]

Fair enough.

[daddyfivestar]

Throw out Sasha for Posey on the trade board and watch the flames begin.
Many people HATE Sasha (smills, old rem come to mind immediately), and some think Posey is still a baller. That would be a great thread.

[ALL HAIL]

^If Farmar seals the deal and the Lakers don't mind spending an additional 7 mill before tax to rid themselves of Vujacic right now instead of a year and a half from now, I say do it.

That might be too much money to spend though. The Lakers are probably resigned to letting Vujacic and Farmar expire while upgrading through bargain low level deals.

Damn! Posey would make us SOOOO imtimidating though!

[daddyfivestar]

Would you rather Sasha + Farmar for Posey, with the moving Sasha bonus (in exchange for the Posey extra year)

or Ammo + Farmar for Salmons, if Chi blows it up for cap room (taking on Salmons year if he opts and try to move Sasha in July)

And then I sign Mike Taylor as my quick 3rd PG,

[chefy]

ok so we have KOBE, ARTEST, even odom can play sf, walton, morrison, sasha vujacic at sg/sf spot

at pg spot: the declining fisher, 2nd year pg brown,

and you think we need more help at the 3/2 spot? WOW

[Down_Town_Brown]

We get rid of sasha and get a good defender who can hit big shots ill take it...

[Kobay]

now that I think about it...yes.

Shannon/Fisher
Kobe/Posey/Morrison/FA
Artest/Lamar/posey/Luke
Gasol/Lamar/powell
Bynum/Mbenga