GM a Team - Deep Thoughts/Suggestions

[roc]

Alrighty then...

Seeing as nobody has posted yet in the playoffs let's get this ball rollin

As the thread title implies, thoughts/suggestions on what went well and what can be fixed for the future.

Liked

1. quicker paced draft
2. up to date rosters
3. letting GMs post their own FA signings

Didn't like

1. absentee GMs
2. chemistry/salaries not considered by all voters
3. end game slowed down a bit

so what were your likes/dislikes and how to address them going forward?

I will not be commish next go round but maybe this can help whomever steps up to the task.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Disliked:

fast draft
---when the majority of people are missing their pick, there's a problem

byc for fas
---this game is unrealistic due to the amount of trades. don't ruin it by slapping a silly provision on

the lack of communication by the commish
---good job r0cd0gg overall, but come on, people didn't know what was going on

the complaining
---it needs to stop

liked:

fa was fun this go around

the chat

[roc]

the lack of communication by the commish
---good job r0cd0gg overall, but come on, people didn't know what was going on

If by lack of communication you mean no bulk emailing then yep not my cup of tea.

I posted all the info people needed multiple times in the various threads and IMO it is the GMs responsibility to read those threads. I did try to answer every question and some of them multiple times. Only emails I didn't reply to promptly were during the FA period as I purposely wanted to let the tension build a little for drama's sake.

As for the draft we will have to disagree some GMs sent me lists while others wouldn't reply to email so not much I can do about that except draft BPA.

FA BYC is a legit gripe.

[Snakebites]

I think outlying votes should be removed from the calculations of rankings.

If a ranking is far from the average score for that participant in that category, it shouldn't be included. That will limit the effect of "bad" votes.

[roc]

^I was very tempted to do just that

but

since it didn't really affect which teams finished at the top of each category, I refrained.

as bryant08 brought up to me via email... perhaps we have judges next go round ???

[Miller4ever]

As long as they're smart about basketball. Just so the next time's Sacramento's great lineup doesn't get a lottery finish again before draft time.

[bcortell]

Disliked:

fast draft
---when the majority of people are missing their pick, there's a problem

Agreed.

byc for fas
---this game is unrealistic due to the amount of trades. don't ruin it by slapping a silly provision on

Agreed.

the lack of communication by the commish
---good job r0cd0gg overall, but come on, people didn't know what was going on

Agreed.

the complaining
---it needs to stop

Agreed.

I definitely liked the chat. I thought having guys sign for less than max before Free Agency hit was absolutely (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Did they get what they would in RL? Probably, or at least a lot closer to it, but that's nto how this game is done. You can't just throw something like that out there in the middle of the game.

The whole BYC, wait a week between trading re-signed guys needs to go. If a player is BYC, then yes, they should be. If they aren't, then do not make them BYC. I think a re-signed player should have a wait time (A week is fine), but once they are traded, they should be able to be traded again once the trade goes through.

I agree with getting rid of the extremes for rankings. I think having judges is a good idea but not practical.

I don't really think salaries without options needs to be in the rosters. If a poster wants to post it, then fine, but don't make it a requirement. You started to become a Czar with that. (I am not saying don't have updated rosters, but that one thing was excessive.)

I think GM's should have to post their transactions with a date. (A link, as one poster did, is a great idea too.) That is a great way to get rid of any discrepancies of which team a player is on.

I think a committee for Free Agents would be a good idea. Even if it is two or three people besides the commish.

A more detailed way of voting would have been good. (Along with how to do a write up). This isn't my first of either, but I think it's always appreciated to have exactly what you want to be considered for each category.

Finally, this whole playoff thing seems unnecessary. We do this to have some fun and make some unrealistic trades, signings, and whatever else. There's really no need for that.

[roc]

the lack of communication by the commish
---good job r0cd0gg overall, but come on, people didn't know what was going on

Agreed.

Finally, this whole playoff thing seems unnecessary. We do this to have some fun and make some unrealistic trades, signings, and whatever else. There's really no need for that.

1. please explain

2. too late, I already deleted the playoff threads, game over.

as for the other points...

I like the idea of adding transactions links, great suggestion.

Judges would be nice but as you mentioned , probably not practical but would be nice.

We all hammered out the rules at the beginning and I stuck to them and that included the FA contingencies as well as more realistic contracts. You didn't like the FA idea then so I didn't expect you to suddenly change your mind. I do think your suggestion for the next go round is a good alternative as it was a bit much with the recurring BYC and wait period. I was tempted to change it but decided to stick with what was agreed upon at the start. We know better for the next game so I expect that to be dropped as it was mos def not a good idea in action. Live and learn.

FA committee would also be nice but may fall under the same lack of practicality issues that judges would. I do like both ideas though and would love to see them incorporated if possible.

As for more detailed voting... ideas/thoughts?

[Klomp]

I also posted this in the rankings thread:

The two biggest problems I've noticed in this game are efficiency and communication. I also believe these two go hand in hand. I think better communication from the commissioner and just in general keeps the game in our minds. Lets face, all of us (I hope) have lives outside of RealGM and outside this game. If we aren't reminded about whats going on, then the players will lose interest, and eventually not come back.

r0cd0gg, you said that email "isn't your cup of tea," but sometimes as the commissioner you need to do things to benefit the entire league/game, not just yourself. Yes, you may have posted information in the threads, but sometimes, GMs don't get on RGM often enough to get the needed information because they don't know its there. And if they are on RGM, maybe they don't have the time to do what they need to do. But most people do check their email multiple times a day, and can see the reminders. All you would need to do is copy and paste what you wrote in those threads into an email message.

Sorry, r0cd0gg, I am not trying to attack you, and I am sorry if it seems like it is coming out that way. I just know this game has so much potential, and thats why I try to join it every time (also so I can get my team, which I haven't gotten to this day). But every time, it just never achieves its potential and dissolves. I have ideas for what it could be, and I think I could see myself trying to run it, but am unsure about it. There is so many arguments about what is wrong with the game that I know I couldn't please everyone.

[Klomp]

A thought I had to keep people interested is to have a weekly/monthly press release email from the commissioners office. It wouldn't have to be anything fancy, just a release reminding GMs of important dates and deadlines, and any other necessary information (ie if a GM will be out a few days, maybe a blockbuster trade, news of a GM dropping out or a new hire, etc)

[Klomp]

I think GM's should have to post their transactions with a date. (A link, as one poster did, is a great idea too.) That is a great way to get rid of any discrepancies of which team a player is on.

Whoever did the link thing was a genius.........(wait, that was me wasn't it? teeheehee...oops)

[roc]

One of the main points of making GMs keep their rosters up to date(besides the obvious) was to make GMs do things on their own instead of expecting the commish will just take care of it for them. Sorry if I didn't hand hold enough by not sending mass emails, hopefully the next commish will be more of the coddling variety. That is just not the way I roll.

I did send out personal emails every time a team was about to be on the clock for a draft pick, had a question in need of answering, a RFA that had an offer in need of matching, etc. but apparently more is required.

anyway...

Nice job on adding the links klomp44 it was/is a great idea. As for the emailed announcements, that will depend on the nature of the next commish. It is an interesting idea and would probably benefit some of the GMs that don't read the boards on a consistent basis.

It was both fun and a lot of work but this will mos def be the last game I run as I just won't have as much time to invest with my last semester of school coming up. That and I feel it is good for everyone to take a turn at it to see how things play out from a different angle.

[roc]

I think I could see myself trying to run it, but am unsure about it. There is so many arguments about what is wrong with the game that I know I couldn't please everyone.

QFT it is an impossibility.

Hopefully this thread will help out towards getting the game more refined if nothing else.

and don't worry guys I don't take the input personally(doesn't mean I won't reply with my own thoughts on the matter), it is what is and could be put to use by me in other things I may do in life.

[Klomp]

It was both fun and a lot of work but this will mos def be the last game I run as I just won't have as much time to invest with my last semester of school coming up. That and I feel it is good for everyone to take a turn at it to see how things play out from a different angle.

Haha, its my last semester too...but I only have a few classes (only on Mondays and Wednesdays too), so I may have some more time than I did this semester (was the toughest I've had so far.)

I'm just scared about how much work it takes to do it....

[Gremz]

There's nothing I predonimantly liked OR disliked differently with this one, I just think I've run my course with GM a Team. It just got a bit repetitive for me this time around, and I lost a lot of interest. For that I do apologize.

[CellarDoor]

One of the main points of making GMs keep their rosters up to date(besides the obvious) was to make GMs do things on their own instead of expecting the commish will just take care of it for them. Sorry if I didn't hand hold enough by not sending mass emails, hopefully the next commish will be more of the coddling variety. That is just not the way I roll.

I did send out personal emails every time a team was about to be on the clock for a draft pick, had a question in need of answering, a RFA that had an offer in need of matching, etc. but apparently more is required.

anyway...

Nice job on adding the links klomp44 it was/is a great idea. As for the emailed announcements, that will depend on the nature of the next commish. It is an interesting idea and would probably benefit some of the GMs that don't read the boards on a consistent basis.

It was both fun and a lot of work but this will mos def be the last game I run as I just won't have as much time to invest with my last semester of school coming up. That and I feel it is good for everyone to take a turn at it to see how things play out from a different angle.

You're missing a rather important point though: if someone only checks the board every 2-3 days (or worse) they're literally like six to seven pages behind.

If you create an email group with all the GMs, sending them deadlines will take around 11 seconds.

[Miller4ever]

I'm gonna be honest and say that I don't check the discussion threads when there's the chat room and messaging clients, because I can discuss a lot more and actually get trades done.

I didn't even know you were using it to make announcements and reminders because there was that other signup thread. Thread titling and organization can be done a little better without too much clutter.

Still, the game was run decently, and trades went pretty smoothly.

[bcortell]

the lack of communication by the commish
---good job r0cd0gg overall, but come on, people didn't know what was going on

Agreed.

Finally, this whole playoff thing seems unnecessary. We do this to have some fun and make some unrealistic trades, signings, and whatever else. There's really no need for that.

1. please explain

2. too late, I already deleted the playoff threads, game over.

as for the other points...

I like the idea of adding transactions links, great suggestion.

Judges would be nice but as you mentioned , probably not practical but would be nice.

We all hammered out the rules at the beginning and I stuck to them and that included the FA contingencies as well as more realistic contracts. You didn't like the FA idea then so I didn't expect you to suddenly change your mind. I do think your suggestion for the next go round is a good alternative as it was a bit much with the recurring BYC and wait period. I was tempted to change it but decided to stick with what was agreed upon at the start. We know better for the next game so I expect that to be dropped as it was mos def not a good idea in action. Live and learn.

FA committee would also be nice but may fall under the same lack of practicality issues that judges would. I do like both ideas though and would love to see them incorporated if possible.

As for more detailed voting... ideas/thoughts?

I think you needed to email GM's for important things. I did appreciate the email for time to draft (I addressed what I thought of the draft in general).

Yes, the BYC and wait period are suggestions for next game.
I would say do something like this- if they are BYC then they should be. If their signing doesn't make them BYC, then don't make them. Once they are signed, give them a week waiting period. After that, they can be traded within the normal rules for trading.

I didn't even notice that you deleted the threads, and maybe you didn't understand what I was saying. I was saying we should NOT have them, so you don't have any arguments from me on deleting them. They were unnecessary and really not part of the game, IMO.

I think POR was the one with links to his transactions, it was pretty nice.

[Klomp]

I think POR was the one with links to his transactions, it was pretty nice.

Honestly, its not that hard to do. It takes maybe an extra minute max, and I think it helps with the whole honesty/updating rosters thing. One thing I didn't do though that maybe I should've was add any of my FA signings. That was one thing that we seem to have issues with knowing who is waived when by who, etc. I think that press release email idea I had would also help get rid of the confusion on free agents, both in season and in the offseason.

[Klomp]

Before the next game even gets started, I think it would be good to have a "round table discussion" on the rules that should be in place. Even after teams are being picked, we are usually arguing on how the game should be run. That slows down the game big time and confuses those who want to join. If there was a thread dedicated to discussing and eventually voting on the rules of the game beforee it starts, that might help the next game go smoother.