the pick between the niners and pats

[$mooth]

so whats up with the pick .... i thought it was that if the pats get to the playoffs (wich they will) then they dont get the pick ... so does it go back to the niners

[Manhattan Project]

No the Patriots are going to loss their own pick, meaning the later of the two. The Niners pick will be going to New England and may Jesus have mercy on us all.

[HCYanks]

Where on earth did you get that?

The Pats own the pick. If it makes you feel better, this looks like a weak draft from what i've heard. Plus, the Dolphins and Rams and possibly the Jets, Falcons, and Raiders will finish worse, so the pick is probably "only" in the 4-6 range.

[Next Coming]

Where on earth did you get that?

The Pats own the pick. If it makes you feel better, this looks like a weak draft from what i've heard. Plus, the Dolphins and Rams and possibly the Jets, Falcons, and Raiders will finish worse, so the pick is probably "only" in the 4-6 range.

LMAO!

But this is just like Len Bias. Let there be a better ending to this though.

And I can't even see the Pats using a top 10 pick. They'll probably trade down.

[Rafael122]

Not if Dorsey is there. Seriously, Dorsey, Seymour and Wilfork on that line?

[PhilipNelsonFan]

Watch the Patriots trade down twice, get another first-rounder next year, grab a stud LB, OL, and CB, and make fools out of the other 31 GMs for the umpteenth year in a row.

That Patriots machine is the scariest thing around with the tools they have at their disposal.

[Next Coming]

Not if Dorsey is there. Seriously, Dorsey, Seymour and Wilfork on that line?

They don't need Dorsey they have Seymour, Wilfork, Warren and Green. That's enough.

[Sonisfan007]

The Pat's defense in ancient, so they need a high back badly because those old men can't possibly hold up much longer.

[Icness]

The Niners traded what's going to be a top 7 pick for Joe Staley.
The Colts traded what's going to be a pick to the Niners between 29-32 for Tony Ugoh.

I like Joe Staley a lot and he's the best OL the Niners have, but he's not visibly better than Ugoh. So basically the 49ers traded their first round pick this year for a guy no better than a guy they could have already had without trading. And I know a lot of people who thought Ugoh was better than Staley coming out (I'm not one of them). This is why some teams keep winning and some teams keep losing.

[J.Kim]

Can anyone explain to me the appeal or the value in trading multiple draft picks to go up in the first round? At least for a low-tier team?

IMO, Skill Positions (QB, RB, WR) and to a certain extent CB/S are overvalued termendously, and frontline/anchor positions such as DT, G, C and to a certain extent T are totally undervalued in the draft.

By now I think everyone understands that a good team starts with a good foundation at the LOS, and yet most of these low-tier teams neglect their frontline/anchor positions and instead constantly draft skill positions.
If the draft over-appreciates the value of skill positions, then why do these teams not trade down instead of trying to trade up?

[bigrich88]

because of the age of the linebacking unit i could see the pats taking keith rivers, out of USC. he has the kind of versatility that the Pats are known for.

[swede]

that's pretty much spot on as he told my friend matt sieverson (rb OrState) that he going was going to "mirk him" last week during the game.

[Icness]

Can anyone explain to me the appeal or the value in trading multiple draft picks to go up in the first round? At least for a low-tier team?

IMO, Skill Positions (QB, RB, WR) and to a certain extent CB/S are overvalued termendously, and frontline/anchor positions such as DT, G, C and to a certain extent T are totally undervalued in the draft.

By now I think everyone understands that a good team starts with a good foundation at the LOS, and yet most of these low-tier teams neglect their frontline/anchor positions and instead constantly draft skill positions.
If the draft over-appreciates the value of skill positions, then why do these teams not trade down instead of trying to trade up?

It takes two to tango. Finding a trading partner that will allow you to move down, but not too far, and is willing to give up other valuable picks is often quite difficult. That's why savvy teams load up on 2nd and 3rd round picks--so they have more flexibility to move up if they need to at any point.

It's also often a tough sell to the fan base to trade down from a top 5 pick. Even though it's the right move probably 80% of the time.

[cb4_89]

How do they not take McFadden?

That would solidify their offense even more. They can always add younger vets for their defense.

[J.Kim]

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It takes two to tango. Finding a trading partner that will allow you to move down, but not too far, and is willing to give up other valuable picks is often quite difficult. That's why savvy teams load up on 2nd and 3rd round picks--so they have more flexibility to move up if they need to at any point.

It's also often a tough sell to the fan base to trade down from a top 5 pick. Even though it's the right move probably 80% of the time.

I get that, and was expecting a reply like that for the bottom part in my question, but I still don't understand the appeal of trading up for certain teams (top half of the draft)

[SportsWorld]

There is no way in hell the Patriots are going to use this pick. They are going to trade it and get another stud offensive player.

[cb4_89]

There is no way in hell the Patriots are going to use this pick. They are going to trade it and get another stud offensive player.

Imagine they trade it for Chad Johnson.

[J.Kim]

IIRC, the Patriots have just as much reason to trade down because of Cap reasons, along with their normal draft strategy/philosophy

[cb4_89]

IIRC, the Patriots have just as much reason to trade down because of Cap reasons, along with their normal draft strategy/philosophy

I guess they will rip off some team for this pick. Give it to them for a cheap stud young player, along with other picks which they can use for defensive players. Then theres still the off-season.

[travis minor]

19-0

might as well draft darren mcfadden

amirite?

to be fair if laurinitis is there, theyll pick him, or reach for mike jenkins