Bill Simmons' Martin Trade Tweet (Gen. Trade Martin Thread)

[XeOnagain]

Bill Simmons tweeted this proposal earlier today;

Utah gets: Kevin Martin and Kenny Thomas
Sacramento gets: Andrei Kirilenko and the Knicks' pick

i guess you still can see it on his twitter page..

what do you guys think about this, if it is somehow legit? i say go for it, that pick is just too good to turn down, and andrei is still a great Defensive player who expires in 2011.

ps: link(the mentioned twitter page) --- http://twitter.com/SportsGuy33

[_SRV_]

We need another perimeter scorer, Kevin Martin co-existed well with Artest, he can co-exist with Evans, we should give it more time.

[KF10]

I seen his tweet earlier.

I don't know if he was serious about it but most likely (well, from what I got from this situation), it's more of a hypothetical event.

This is a similar variation that has been in the Trade Board for months now. And I always dislike this trade.

The pick is the changing variable. And it is simply not worth it. I have said that throughout this season here, Jazz boards and the Trade board (heck, I've been against this trade before season as well). Trading for the pick (unless Kirilenko is the main piece. Extremely doubtful) is too much of a risk. Especially trading arguably our best player in Martin for it.

The Knicks are not that bad of a team. Well, they are not going to make the playoffs (even though they are extremely close. So, there is a distant chance they might. Who knows), but the pick isn't going to be in the top 5. Most likely around 8-14 range. And Martin is so much more valuable than that.

And that is not going into detail of the other part of the trade. Giving the Jazz cap relief for AK47/Thomas swap.

[Smills91]

Switch thomas to Nocioni and add Brewer to the Kings and I think we could potentially say yes.

[Crimson King]

Switch thomas to Nocioni and add Brewer to the Kings and I think we could potentially say yes.

I'd be more interested in Maynor or Fesenko than in Brewer. The pick is losing more and more value, with the Knicks winning we can't do this trade until the offseason, when we'd know exactly what we get with the pick.

[ICMTM]

Actually I don't see it as a bad trade IF we are getting a quality draft pick in the deal. Petrie can draft! That would give us two potential lottery picks in 2010. It makes the defense better. It saves money longterm versus paying out Martin's contract. It fits into the rebuilding plan of going young.

The bad part of the trade is it makes Utah a lot stronger now on the court. Martin IMO would fit in perfectly there.

[darkadun]

Its a interesting trade IMO. I like Kirilenko actually, but I'm not sure he is what we really need atm. Although playing him and casspi at the same time would be pretty interesting defensively. And with two lottery picks we could possibly trade up and get favors.

[perezident]

^^ That's why I want that pick so much! I'm thinking about trading the pick more so keeping really. I'm looking at what happened with the Celtics and seeing what they did.

Lets say we trade Martin and KT for AK plus filler, most definately Fesenko would HAVE to be in the deal to go along with that pick. Then Bosh more than likely would be on my radar come draft night or in the offseason.

We could package either pick with AK (huge expiring for 2011) to Toronto for Bosh and filler

Something like AK+pick+Hawes for Bosh+Evans+Bellineli. We then sign Camby in the offseason and another veteran draft DeMarcus Cousins with our pick. We'd look something like this going into the next season

Camby/Fesenko/Cousins
Bosh/JT/Evans/Brockman
Noc/Donte/Veteran
Cisco/Casspi/Bellineli
Evans/Beno

[Wolfay]

I seen his tweet earlier.

I don't know if he was serious about it but most likely (well, from what I got from this situation), it's more of a hypothetical event.

This is a similar variation that has been in the Trade Board for months now. And I always dislike this trade.

The pick is the changing variable. And it is simply not worth it. I have said that throughout this season here, Jazz boards and the Trade board (heck, I've been against this trade before season as well). Trading for the pick (unless Kirilenko is the main piece. Extremely doubtful) is too much of a risk. Especially trading arguably our best player in Martin for it.

The Knicks are not that bad of a team. Well, they are not going to make the playoffs (even though they are extremely close. So, there is a distant chance they might. Who knows), but the pick isn't going to be in the top 5. Most likely around 8-14 range. And Martin is so much more valuable than that.

And that is not going into detail of the other part of the trade. Giving the Jazz cap relief for AK47/Thomas swap.

Quit with that crap. Your Martin homerism really shines through. Evans is our best player by far.

The Knicks are a mess, so we'll get a good lotto pick and a good defensive player. It's a good trade as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying that I would do it for sure, but I think it's good value.

[XeOnagain]

Evans is CLEARLY the best player on this team, with or without Kevin Martin.

[rpa]

Quit with that crap. Your Martin homerism really shines through. Evans is our best player by far.

The Knicks are a mess, so we'll get a good lotto pick and a good defensive player. It's a good trade as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying that I would do it for sure, but I think it's good value.

That "mess" of a Knicks team is exactly one game out of a playoff spot.

That alone is why this trade isn't a good idea. The East is SO bad this year (as usual) that the Knicks have a realistic shot at the playoffs. Sure, if they miss them then the pick is probably top 10, but if they make them? Hello #15.

Actually I don't see it as a bad trade IF we are getting a quality draft pick in the deal. Petrie can draft!

Yeah, but consider this past draft. Had the Kings won more games and ended up in Washington's shoes then they probably don't get Evans at all--they end up drafting Flynn. Moral of the story: Petrie's a damn good drafter but he also needs a good pick to work with if you want a star.


I'd consider the trade at the allstar break but right now? No way. With over 50 games remaining in the season there's just too much uncertainty in that pick.

[cdt3]

We are not trading for Bosh. JT is putting up 20/10/1.8blocks in his last 5 games and is avg 16/9/1.1 for the season. He is going to have Bosh production (24/11/1) at a fraction of the cost. Bosh's gets his numbers on 5 more touches offensively which also inflate his rebounds (Hedo and Bargniani are his other 2 bigs). JT gets less touches because this team is loaded with scorers at the 1-3 and the Kings are about to bring back Martin/Garcia.

There is no way the Maloofs bring on Bosh when JT is on his way to having an all star career.

AK could be brought in if he was traded for Noci and Thomas. AK would be worth the money because he is elite shot blocker at 6-9 and as a SF and could backup the 4/5 also. Utah would get capspace to resign Boozer and we would get AK.

No way they trade Martin. Peja was a really valuable shooter for the Kings. Martin can open the paint for Evans and JT.

[pillwenney]

I think the best option is likely waiting until the season is over. That way, we can get a decent look at how Martin and Evans can play together, and a more certain guess of where that Knicks pick will be. And I think that, in the deal, we'd be able to just absorb salary instead of adding in Kenny--although if we could add in Noc, that would be great.

[perezident]

Now we have a JT homer ladies and gentlemen! Al Jefferson was on the verge to becoming KG-esque as well "at the fraction of the cost" when he had (Perkins, Olowokandi) as his other 2 bigs. But Boston traded HIM regardless -- so i ask you cdt3 what is your point?? In my scenario we KEEP JT.

If you have a chance to nab Bosh for Kirilenko, Hawes and a pick ma brother you take it and RUN

[Nicky Nix Nook]

I want to keep Martin. But if not, I don't want AK-47.

I'd probably trade him for the NY pick, exp

Evans
Garcia
Casspi
Favors
Thompson/Hawes

I got a boner

[ICMTM]

Actually I don't see it as a bad trade IF we are getting a quality draft pick in the deal. Petrie can draft!

Yeah, but consider this past draft. Had the Kings won more games and ended up in Washington's shoes then they probably don't get Evans at all--they end up drafting Flynn. Moral of the story: Petrie's a damn good drafter but he also needs a good pick to work with if you want a star.


I'd consider the trade at the allstar break but right now? No way. With over 50 games remaining in the season there's just too much uncertainty in that pick.

Ok...I'm certain the Knicks won't be any good and will miss the playoffs. If it looks like they will win the most ping pong balls Utah won't trade that pick. Even still is Martin worth this much? The more I think about it the more I'm thinking this is a coup!

You save money and you get a lottery pick...I think that's at least fair market value for Martin right there without even weighing in Kirilenko. Next season we still have that big expiring contract, too! Next year's draft is looking deep, and there is great value picking in the 7-10 range in most drafts. Last year in a "weak" draft Jennings and Curry went in that range.

Guys like Dirk, Amare, Pierce were drafted in that range. With Petrie's draft record and two lottery ball chances we could get lucky with either of our ping pong balls. The draft seems pretty deep this season (I'm not into college ball so correct me if I'm wrong). I like this deal the more I think about it.

[XeOnagain]

This trade is definitely a risk, considering that draft pick.

But the New York Bricks suck, we all know that. 2 lottery picks in a good draft class is pretty solid. And Andrei is a great defensive player. The more i think about it, the more i like this trade.

[pillwenney]

Ok...I'm certain the Knicks won't be any good and will miss the playoffs. If it looks like they will win the most ping pong balls Utah won't trade that pick. Even still is Martin worth this much? The more I think about it the more I'm thinking this is a coup!

You save money and you get a lottery pick...I think that's at least fair market value for Martin right there without even weighing in Kirilenko. Next season we still have that big expiring contract, too! Next year's draft is looking deep, and there is great value picking in the 7-10 range in most drafts. Last year in a "weak" draft Jennings and Curry went in that range.

Guys like Dirk, Amare, Pierce were drafted in that range. With Petrie's draft record and two lottery ball chances we could get lucky with either of our ping pong balls. The draft seems pretty deep this season (I'm not into college ball so correct me if I'm wrong). I like this deal the more I think about it.

You don't have to be any good to make the playoffs in the east. That's why the Knicks have pretty much as good a shot as any.

Regardless, well, first off it depends on how Kevin fits in. If he turns out to be a great fit next to Tyreke, I probably wouldn't do this unless the pick is like, top 5. If it's just an average fit, the pick would probably have to be around 7-10, and if he's a horrible fit, I might consider a late lotto pick.

But as I said before, I think we need to wait until the season is over to do a deal like this. Unless the Knicks are completely clearly out of the playoff race by the deadline (not likely), I wouldn't do this deal.

[KF10]

Quit with that crap. Your Martin homerism really shines through. Evans is our best player by far.

I said arguably. I never made a definite statement.

Yes, as of right now, Evans is our best player. But we don't know what is the effects of the inclusion of Martin in the starting lineup. Will Martin be a benefit to Evans? A hindrance to both Evans and the team? (We already know that he will not average 20/5/5 with Martin and Garcia back. But he would average close to it though) A hindrance to both Evans and the team?

The Knicks are a mess, so we'll get a good lotto pick and a good defensive player. It's a good trade as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying that I would do it for sure, but I think it's good value.

Again, the positional ranking of the Knicks will change throughout the season. As of right now, they are one game behind from 8th. So, I don't know.

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I dislike the trade because we don't know what is the position of the pick. I would be more incline of this specific trade if we know the definite position and have a tangible reason why we go for this trade. As of right now, we are still not sure.

[OGSactownballer]

Without some kind of money shooter coming back as well, we cannot give up kevin at this point. The two weak spots that are showing on this team right now are interior defense and CONSISTENT outside shooting. The first we have to look to obtain, but we have other assets besides Kevin that are movable for that. The second is AUTOMATICALLY brought by Kevin, and despite Wolfay's Martin-hate, there is nowhere else in the league right now where we will get a BETTER second option money scorer than the one we already have when he comes back from injury - and that costs us NOTHING.