MN - WAS - CHI - PHI

[the_bruce]

WAS IN: Gomes, Blount, Brezec, Utah #1 or CHA #1
WAS OUT: Butler, James

PHI IN: Butler, Miller, James, Wilkins, Flynn, Hollins
PHI OUT: Brezec, Dally, Brand, Iggy

CHI IN: Brand, Cards, Jawai, Utah #1 or CHA #1
CHI OUT: Deng, Miller

MIN IN: Iggy, Deng, Dally
MIN OUT: Gomes, Blount, Wilkins, Flynn, Cards, Hollins, Jawai, UTA/CHA #1

Why for WAS:
Saves money & Gets under lux. Gomes is very affordable for his amount of production and is cap friendly. The CHA or UTAH pick is good incentive for the future.

Why for PHI:
If they blow it up this is a decent package. Flynn has looked good this year. They ditch big money commitments to Brand, Iggy, and Dally, thus cutting 25m off next years payroll. It's an instant rebuild with this years PHI #1(aldrich/favors?), Flynn, Holiday, & Young as the core. Plus cap space.

Why for CHI:
I think Brand is the best player in the deal even though posters are down on him. He's payed a bit more than deng & 1 year less, but it depends what direction they want to go. The CHA or UTAH pick is good incentive for the future.

Why for MN:
MN posters will generally hate this trade. It spends all foresable capspace and uses a bunch of assets including flynn. MN get's the core they need to compete. Deng & Iggy are both good devensively and help the love/jefferson front court. In addition Dally also helps in this scenario since MN is already spending money. He's the perfect 3rd big in the rotation. They still presumabley get this years first and have rubio waiting in the wings.

As most posters know most of the wolves board has what I diagnose as "shrinkitis" and are very concerned about spending money and limiting flexibility. Both these guys are young and good. Locked up to long term deals the core looks like...

Al/Dally
Love
Deng
Iggy/Brewer
Sessions

Plus Rubios & Peks rights & MNs #1 this year.

Begin the hate.

[Esohny]

Honestly, I actually kind of like this one. I don't like Deng very much, but I'm a huge fan of Iggy. And Dally is a big expiring next year, so we could make another move then. We also could make another move this year with Cardinal's expiring.

Then in the draft, I would probably go Xavier Henry for a proto SG with 3-pt shooting to eventually push Iggy to his natural SF position, and push Deng to the bench as a very good (albeit expensive) 3rd wing. We might get a solid project big with our 2nd rounder as well.

Does chicago do this though? Brand's contract is worse than Deng's.

edit: after reading j2j's post, I seem to have missed something in the trade. Bruce, can you check and make sure you have all the players right?

[john2jer]

Somehow we end up getting Iggy without Philly losing Iggy. And Chicago gets Cardinal without us losing him.

We still don't have anyone that can shoot. Deng is no where near worth his contract. Neither is Dally. This value coming in, at this stage, just might be enough to cause us to lose our pick. Clippers currently have the 11th pick, and we're 8 games behind them. With our already improved play, and this trade, I think it would be possible to catch them.

But to contradict my last point, I don't think Iggy or Dally are ideal parts for our half-court offense. Iggy is a slasher/finisher, without the ability to space the floor. Dally is just the dumbest player in the NBA. We'd be a pretty decent running team, which Rambis wants, but without the ability to shoot, our spacing would be horrid. Deng's showed improved shooting from beyond the arc this year, but it's a small sample size, and when he did have a large enough sample size to critique his 3pt shooting, he's been horrid.

Just seems like we're taking a bunch of 3rd tier players from horrible teams, combining them, and then hoping they'll put it together.

[shrink]

Wow -- that's a lot to digest, like a good Thanksgiving meal.

Personally, I think PHI does that deal easily without Flynn. Brand's playing better, but he's worth nowhere near the $51 mil he'll get over the next three seasons. Dalembert is overpaid as well. Moving from Iguodala to Caron Butler's shorter deal should be enough.

My concerns are with CHI and Brand. He'd be a much better fit than Deng, but enough to take on that contract for a 1st? I don't know.

WAS posters seem to prefer Sessions to Gomes, and that might make some sense if we kept Flynn. Perhaps Gomes could go to CHI to add value, particularly with Deng going out. Anyway, they'd probably prefer to see Stevenson moved to getting that 1st as well. Maybe with Caron Butler heading to PHI on a 2yr deal, Stevenson wouldn't look so bad on a 2-year plan?

Overall for MIN, without Flynn in the deal, I'm on the fence. Its a tremendous longterm gamble, and I don't even want to count how much salary we're adding. I like players like Iguodala who do a lot of things to help a team win.

Very interesting trade.

[Krapinsky]

I don't like the idea of stocking up overpaid roll players. Maybe one or the other, but Deng and Igoudala is a longterm recipie for disaster. Bother are better suited to play the 3, and neither can shoot the ball.

[Ajosu]

Bulls fan here.

Chi trades:
Deng
Noah
Pargo

Minn trades:
Al Jeff
Sasha
Ellington

Do you do it?

[Esohny]

Bulls fan here.

Chi trades:
Deng
Noah
Pargo

Minn trades:
Al Jeff
Sasha
Ellington

Do you do it?

No.

[Dandy]

Yes, I do.

[shrink]

You're welcome to post it in a seperate thread here ajosu, to not divert bruceallen's thread

[Ajosu]

Didn't mean to hijack his thread. We have one official trade thread on our board to keep the number of new threads about the same subject from popping up. I'll start a new one, though.