Ringless Historical Player Game -- COMMENTS

Post #1 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:36 pm

Chicago wouldn't be bad at all, those Van Lier/Sloan teams were pretty good. You can add Chet Walker and Bob Love at forward and maybe Boerwinkle (or Ray) at reserve center. For extra points, there ais always the likes of Orlando Woolridge. Rose hasn't played enough yet (and at SF?).

Houston has a nasty rebounding team with Moses and young Elvin Hayes. See, there is life without Hakeem.

Good luck putting together a Laker team though

Post #2 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:24 pm

My best shot at a Laker team --

C Vlade Divac / Eldon Campbell
PF Rudy LaRusso / Sam Perkins
SF Elgin Baylor / Adrian Dantley (Baylor only played 9 games and no playoff games in 72)
SG Eddie Jones / Dick Barnett
PG Nick Van Excel / Jim Price / Sedale Threatt

Find another big man somewhere and you won't embarass yourself (if we count Baylor) -- basically the 60s and the 90s minus a few stars.

BOSTON

C Ed McCauley / Al Jefferson (had to fudge it here; only played 199 games as a Celtic)
PF Antoine Walker / Dino Radja
SF Reggie Lewis / Ed Pinkney / Rick Fox
SG Charlie Scott / Chris Ford
PG Dee Brown / Brian Shaw / David Wesley

Now THIS team is truly putrid! The old Antoine Walker teams reborn.

Post #3 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:02 pm

Pacers would do a whole lot better in this category.

Post #4 » by **roc** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:25 pm

Trailblazers, Sonics, Orlando should have killer teams, Hornets as well if they get to include the NO version.

Post #5 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:33 am

I wouldn't have guessed the Pistons to be that strong, dang . . . oh well, what's one more juggernaut, lol

Post #6 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:39 am

penbeast0 wrote:I wouldn't have guessed the Pistons to be that strong, dang . . . oh well, what's one more juggernaut, lol

I was pleasantly surprised by how well my assets came together, actually. Pretty darn strong team.

I thought with all of the bad boys and 2004 crew out of the picture this team would struggle, but those teams that never made it had some really nice talent that blends together well.

Post #7 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:55 am

weak bench though, outside of the forward spot. Lanier or Bing gets hurt and it's game over.

Post #8 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:03 am

penbeast0 wrote:weak bench though, outside of the forward spot. Lanier or Bing gets hurt and it's game over.

Yeah, I searched high and low for a better backup center or point guard.

Ah well, if we're using 1 year peaks both of those guys have years in which they were rocks of consistency, and both were used to BIG minutes.

There is one team that will completely dominate this competition and I hope nobody picks it.

Post #9 » by **roc** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:26 am

Here is a HOF Pistons C for ya - Walt Bellamy

Post #10 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:31 am

r0cd0gg wrote:Here is a HOF Pistons C for ya - Walt Bellamy

He only played 2 half seasons for Detroit . . . and by that time had ballooned up to well over 300 pounds. He could still score and rebound but had grown slow afoot and earthbound defensively.

And, where is this great Cavs defense? . . . they have GREAT offense but the only above average defender in the starting lineup is LeBron . . . Daugherty and Price were average at best, Free was below average, and Kemp by this point was dogging it defensively as his conditioning sufferred. Larry Nance is a terrific defender off the bench but Harper didn't play any PG in Cleveland. You might consider Terrell Brandon (or even Eric Snow if you are going to start Free). Jim Brewer was a defensive specialist for them; maybe even Hot Rod Williams or Roy Hinton for more of a two way player.

Post #11 » by **roc** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:44 am

Didn't look up Bellamy's number of games before posting. :oops:

and

I was planning on adding in some of the defensive minded guys you mentioned and fine tuning the rotation once I get a bit of free time tomorrow. Not too worried about rolling with Harper at PG as LeBron will get close to 40 minutes per and take control of running the show when on the floor.

Post #12 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:53 am

I'm surprised no one took the Kings. Of course, defense has historically been bad there, but the franchise reaches back to some great players. Oscar Robertson, Reggie Theus, Mitch Richmond could all play great defense, and Theus was underrated like Jackie Robinson before he hit the MLB. You have Jerry Lucas up top, who is up there in the top-20 centers mix, somewhere higher up if you consider passing, and...you know what, I'm taking them.

Post #13 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:09 pm

Welcome to our new posters . . . no worries, editing is fine. Speaking of which, jcidallas24, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, and Antawn Jamison haven't played 200 games for Dallas so they are ineligible. However, since you had 15 players, that still leaves you with a full team. (You might want to put Jimmy Jackson at SG and Aguirre at SF though since that's where they played mainly . . . leaving you with)

Tarpley/Dampier
Dirk/Perkins
Mashburn/Howard/Aguirre
Finley/Blackmon/Jackson
Nash/Harris

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:00 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Welcome to our new posters . . . no worries, editing is fine. Speaking of which, jcidallas24, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, and Antawn Jamison haven't played 200 games for Dallas so they are ineligible. However, since you had 15 players, that still leaves you with a full team. (You might want to put Jimmy Jackson at SG and Aguirre at SF though since that's where they played mainly . . . leaving you with)

Tarpley/Dampier
Dirk/Perkins
Mashburn/Howard/Aguirre
Finley/Blackmon/Jackson
Nash/Harris

Kidd definitely has.

Include his first few years.

Post #15 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:47 pm

ah . . . oops. btw, please put comments here and writeups in the other thread or else it gets difficult to find the writeups when doing the judging. So someone should be cut if he wants to bring the roster to 12 (bye Devin Harris).

Post #16 » by **roc** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:50 pm

I didn't plan on getting involved in the whole write up thing when I posted the line up so I deleted it so someone else can take that team. Just not motivated to spend much time at this juncture. I will be checking out how things are proceeding for curiousity's sake.

Post #17 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:47 pm

Was looking at the Kings/Royals team . . . Lucas wasn't a great defensive C, neither was Miller, and Tisdale was a 6-6 forward who played zero defense too, where's the great Euroflopper?! . . . also while Reggie Theus had all the skills and the size to defend 3 positions, he never actually put the effort in to defend even one . . . Peja was a better defender and that's not saying that much. I'd start Peja or prime Jack Twyman (30ppg in 1960, led league in fg% in 1958 admittedly at 45%, not that he was known for defense either) rather than Theus who won't see the ball enough to use his 6-7 PG skillset next to Oscar.

Post #18 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:54 pm

If we don't get any new teams by Tuesday (a week after the last posted team), we can rate them as they stand . . . I'd love to see a Denver team out there, Atlanta, Seattle. . .

Post #19 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:47 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Where's the great Euroflopper?!

We're only allowed 12 men, right? Not 15?

Post #20 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:37 pm

OP didn't say but let's assume so.