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[Foye]

I saw that Lopez for Jefferson swap and thought that it is not realistic because the Nets won't send Lopez away.


Roy Hibbert is probably more realistic.

Ramon Sessions
Ryan Hollins
Brian Cardinal
Utah pick or 2nd round pick

for

Roy Hibbert
TJ Ford

We add 4 mil. to our payroll in 2010-11 but get an upgrade @C. On top of that Hibbert is still young, has room for improvement, can get some blocks and is locked into a ridiculously cheap contract until 2013.

IND cleares a bit salary, upgrade at PG, get a pick and get a 7 footer to replace Hibbert.

I don't know how it affect our 2010 cap space in terms of signing a Rudy Gay type FA. That is probably shrinks part.

[southern wolf]

That's way too good for us. The Pacers would want more for Hibbert.

[Biff Cooper]

That's way too good for us. The Pacers would want more for Hibbert.

That was my initial take too, but I'm not sure that is the case. It seems like Indiana would love to swap Ford for Sessions, and they seem to have trouble getting Hibbert playing time due to matchups. We might even turn it down because we'd have to both take on Ford and lose 3.9 mil in 2010 cap space. I'd probably do it, but I am probably a bigger fan of Hibbert than most.

[Foye]

That's way too good for us. The Pacers would want more for Hibbert.

So what about exchanging Utah's pick for Charlotte's pick?

I think Hibberts presence alone at 7-2 would make us tougher to beat.

I thought it was a pretty fair value because Indiana lacks a point guard. Earl Watson and TJ Ford can not be counted as long term starting point guard whereas Sessions is at least serviceable and cheap. Then they get a big body, some cap relief and add another pick in a supposedly strong draft.
Thought also about throwing in Pekovic's rights but they have already Hansbrough who needs a lot of minutes to develop.

[southern wolf]

Sessions isn't much of an upgrade over Ford though in terms of talent. They save a bit of money, and get another pick, but Hibbert is a big part of their core. I just think they'd want more.

[Foye]

So what do you think they could want?

Love, Flynn and Jefferson are obviously off the table.

[john2jer]

I'm going to hide in my bunker before posting this, but how about...

Wolves give: Al Jefferson
Pacers give: Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert

Why for the Wolves: We completely round out our three man front court rotation with Murphy, Love, and Hibbert. Murphy expires after the 2010-11 season, so he can either be re-signed for less, or we'll have another ~$10mil in cap space to trade or lure a free agent. Hibbert and Love would be a great pair in the triangle with Hibbert able to play the low post, yet able to pass the ball very well for a big man.

Why for the Pacers: They get a legitimate 2nd option to pair with Danny Granger.

Draft Turner with the 2nd pick and sign Rudy Gay.

Frontcourt - Hibbert/Love/Murphy
SF - Gay/Brewer
Backcourt - Flynn/Turner/Sessions

We'd still have Pekovic, Rubio, Ellington, and the Utah/Char picks.

[NewWolvesOrder]

I'm going to hide in my bunker before posting this, but how about...

Wolves give: Al Jefferson
Pacers give: Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert

Why for the Wolves: We completely round out our three man front court rotation with Murphy, Love, and Hibbert. Murphy expires after the 2010-11 season, so he can either be re-signed for less, or we'll have another ~$10mil in cap space to trade or lure a free agent. Hibbert and Love would be a great pair in the triangle with Hibbert able to play the low post, yet able to pass the ball very well for a big man.

Why for the Pacers: They get a legitimate 2nd option to pair with Danny Granger.

Draft Turner with the 2nd pick and sign Rudy Gay.

Frontcourt - Hibbert/Love/Murphy
SF - Gay/Brewer
Backcourt - Flynn/Turner/Sessions

We'd still have Pekovic, Rubio, Ellington, and the Utah/Char picks.

I actually wanted to post the same deal a few days ago, but I don't have a bunker so opted not to post it.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Hibbert and Troy Murphy is not a worthy offer

[Tirion]

Murphy and Love are like Big Al and Pecovic: redundant.

[Foye]

I'm going to hide in my bunker before posting this, but how about...

Wolves give: Al Jefferson
Pacers give: Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert

Why for the Wolves: We completely round out our three man front court rotation with Murphy, Love, and Hibbert. Murphy expires after the 2010-11 season, so he can either be re-signed for less, or we'll have another ~$10mil in cap space to trade or lure a free agent. Hibbert and Love would be a great pair in the triangle with Hibbert able to play the low post, yet able to pass the ball very well for a big man.

Why for the Pacers: They get a legitimate 2nd option to pair with Danny Granger.

Draft Turner with the 2nd pick and sign Rudy Gay.

Frontcourt - Hibbert/Love/Murphy
SF - Gay/Brewer
Backcourt - Flynn/Turner/Sessions

We'd still have Pekovic, Rubio, Ellington, and the Utah/Char picks.

I can see where you are coming from but I would pass on trading Al Jefferson for Hibbert and a 1 1/2 half year rental of Troy Murphy who is too old for our core. At least swap their 1st and Utahs and make this deal at the deadline when it is pretty clear that they won't reach the playoffs so that we have a higher pick this year.

[john2jer]

Murphy would be a third big. The trade isn't done for him. It's to get Hibbert and future cap space. Murphy just provides the relief from having to do something stupid like draft Aldrich.

The pick swap can be done, Utah's for Indy's. My idea was just a basis, nothing rock solid.

[Tirion]

Returning to that third bigman to compliment both Big Al and Love, it doesn't necessarily have to be that tall shotblocking type. Look at this year Rockets, they play up-tempo and have ZERO shotblocking, but still win games. Shotblocking is overrated if 6-6 Chuck Hayes doesn't need it to be great at defense.

[Tirion]

Murphy would be a third big. The trade isn't done for him. It's to get Hibbert and future cap space. Murphy just provides the relief from having to do something stupid like draft Aldrich.

The pick swap can be done, Utah's for Indy's. My idea was just a basis, nothing rock solid.

that's fair enough, it's just I'm not that high on Hibbert, I guess.

[john2jer]

Returning to that third bigman to compliment both Big Al and Love, it doesn't necessarily have to be that tall shotblocking type. Look at this year Rockets, they play up-tempo and have ZERO shotblocking, but still win games. Shotblocking is overrated if 6-6 Chuck Hayes doesn't need it to be great at defense.

This comment COMPLETELY ignores that Hibbert is a legit 7'2" center that can pass out of the post. Your comment would be legit if I was pushing for Sam Dally or Tyson Chandler, or even ThaBUST, keeping salaries comparable.

[Tirion]

Returning to that third bigman to compliment both Big Al and Love, it doesn't necessarily have to be that tall shotblocking type. Look at this year Rockets, they play up-tempo and have ZERO shotblocking, but still win games. Shotblocking is overrated if 6-6 Chuck Hayes doesn't need it to be great at defense.

This comment COMPLETELY ignores that Hibbert is a legit 7'2" center that can pass out of the post. Your comment would be legit if I was pushing for Sam Dally or Tyson Chandler, or even ThaBUST, keeping salaries comparable.

Thabeet looked better than I thought against Celtics, but I digress. I dunno, I just think that Hibbert is not a good defensive big. Other centers tend to have big games against him and Wolves have enough offense in the frontcourt.

[john2jer]

Huh? That trade clearly isn't done to improve offense in the front court. It's done to balance the offense, improve ball movement, improve defense, and to get us running more. It's to prevent blackhole situations of a post player just pounding the rock.

[Devilzsidewalk]

in a nutshell our frontcourt defense sucks because of how slow we play and guys can't seem to react in time to cut off lanes and block shots, whatever Hibbert gains in height is negated by his even worse foot speed. Watching him have absolutely no idea what to do when Monta Ellis was abusing him for a million layups in a row a couple weeks back I see he still doesn't have it down yet defensively.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Huh? That trade clearly isn't done to improve offense in the front court. It's done to balance the offense, improve ball movement, improve defense, and to get us running more. It's to prevent blackhole situations of a post player just pounding the rock.

Yep, that's how i see it too. I have a new version of it

Jefferson and Sessions for Hibbert, Foster(exp2011), Ford(exp2011) and 2010 pick top3 protection.

[Tirion]

Huh? That trade clearly isn't done to improve offense in the front court. It's done to balance the offense, improve ball movement, improve defense, and to get us running more.

I lost you there.