MVP Rankings 1.0

CharlieMurphy · Post #1101 » by **CharlieMurphy** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:23 pm

lj4mvp wrote:and when you factor in things like home vs away, strenght of schedule, etc, the lakers project out to 59 wins, not 70.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

you need to know how that works...http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=playoffpredictor-081119

so, yes when you do raw projections of the lakers win percentage for the season it comes out to ~69.8.

It's okay to blindly trust hollinger. Many have done it before you and many have failed.

furthermore, you've got to understand what pace means...

YLSKillaCam · Post #1102 » by **YLSKillaCam** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:37 pm

lj4mvp wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
kaiiu2324 wrote:Player B has Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol,Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest. And with all the talent player B still feels the need to lead the league in missed shots.

True

fixed your correction.

and when you factor in things like home vs away, strenght of schedule, etc, the lakers project out to 59 wins, not 70.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

There's 55 games left. For the Lakers to only win 59 games, they'd have to go 36-19 the rest of the way. That means that for Hollinger's prediction to come true, the Lakers have to have a 65% winning percentage the rest of the way.

Not going to happen.

Currently their road percentage is 78% (7-2) and their home record is 89% (16-2). Assuming that the Lakers ONLY played on the road for the rest of the season, the projection at 77% would put them at 65 wins for the season.

Now add into the fact that although the Lakers have played a lot of home games, according to your boy Hollinger, the Lakers have had a tougher schedule than the Cavs this far. http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

The Lakers currently have the second best road record and the best home record in the league while playing a pretty tough schedule competition wise to date.

I just don't see the Lakers only winning 59 games barring injury.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #1103 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:45 pm

lj4mvp wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
kaiiu2324 wrote:Player B has Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol,Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest. And with all the talent player B still feels the need to lead the league in missed shots.

True

fixed your correction.

Incorrect.

Melo had the most FGA at 609, and the most missed shots at 317. 8-)

Post #1104 » by **INKtastic** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:52 pm

I meant on a per game basis. Carmelo has played an extra game. Carmelo misses 11.3 shots/game, Kobe misses 11.4 shots/game.

Bgil · Post #1105 » by **Bgil** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:57 pm

semi-sentient wrote:I think it's pretty clear that Kobe is getting some extra credit for doing what he's doing with a broken finger. Commentators have been praising him for it, so maybe LeBron should break a finger or two to swing some sympathy votes his way.

BTW, prior to breaking his finger Kobe was shooting .328 (not great, but not terrible) from downtown and since he has shot .172 (5-29). Likewise, his free throw shooting has dropped from .844 to .804 since the injury.

A couple years ago Lebron sat out 6.5 games with a sprained finger on his NON-SHOOTING hand. If he fractured a finger on his shooting hand he'd be out for a month and a half (20 games or so)

Bgil · Post #1106 » by **Bgil** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:59 pm

lj4mvp wrote:I meant on a per game basis. Carmelo has played an extra game. Carmelo misses 11.3 shots/game, Kobe misses 11.4 shots/game.

Ya know, at some point you should just begin mental preparation for the letdown of Lebron and the Cavs not getting any hardware this season. I mean this with all seriousness because they way you're going now is gonna be rough on you in a few months.

edit: Central Division banner FTW!!!!!

Post #1107 » by **INKtastic** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:12 pm

Bgil wrote:Ya know, at some point you should just begin mental preparation for the letdown of Lebron and the Cavs not getting any hardware this season. I mean this with all seriousness because they way you're going now is gonna be rough on you in a few months.

edit: Central Division banner FTW!!!!!

That'll be our 3rd in franchise history.

Bgil · Post #1108 » by **Bgil** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:13 pm

So you're saying you're already prepared for it?

See5 · Post #1109 » by **See5** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:15 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:But, but, Player A had Pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson. Lebron has Mo Williams, Shaq and Mike Brown. So they'll still pick Lebron.

If you polled the media today, I think they will say that Kobe's in front. In fact, I think he'd win pretty easily. Things might change in a few months but for right now the only argument people can make against him is that his team is too good. That's hilarious.

He's performing at an extremely high level(higher than when he won 2 years ago), is great statistically, is playing with injury, and his team has the #1 record in the league. What more do you want?

CharlieMurphy · Post #1110 » by **CharlieMurphy** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:36 pm

See5 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:But, but, Player A had Pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson. Lebron has Mo Williams, Shaq and Mike Brown. So they'll still pick Lebron.

If you polled the media today, I think they will say that Kobe's in front. In fact, I think he'd win pretty easily. Things might change in a few months but for right now the only argument people can make against him is that his team is too good. That's hilarious.

He's performing at an extremely high level(higher than when he won 2 years ago), is great statistically, is playing with injury, and his team has the #1 record in the league. What more do you want?

seriously??? it's not that simple. The MVP has to lead the league in win shares, efg%, +/-, and of course PER. Unless he does those things, kobe's not getting my vote. (that is, if I had a vote...)

:roll:

Benedict_Boozer · Post #1111 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:50 pm

C-Mas day game between LA/CLE will be big. The NBA is hyping that game up and all of the media and voters will be tuning in to watch.

Really think the winner / better performer from that game will have the 1st half MVP momentum swing heavily in their favor. If Kobe wants to stay in the lead I think he needs to win and play well.

Will be interesting to see if Kobe steps up to defend LBJ or if Phil keeps Artest on him the entire game.

JimMurray · Post #1112 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:09 pm

lj4mvp wrote:Nice trick, shrinking the minutes to make the numbers look closer then round the numbers to make them look even closer and use FG% instead of eFG% or TS% to hide Kobe's poor shooting from 3 (exactly when is this supposed to gravitate to the mean)

Wouldn't a per 36 average be more accurate? Seeing as how Kobe has been involved in three times as many blowouts than Lebron? So basically, you only want to use the stats that Lebron has the biggest lead in? Doesn't this make you worse? If you want to live by the stats, you better die by the stats. The actuality of statistical truths spells out that the difference statistically between Kobe and Lebron isn't as vast as you would like it to be. Deal with it.

JimMurray · Post #1113 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:12 pm

NYK 455 wrote:21-8 with Mo Williams, Shaq, and Mike Brown is more impressive than 23-4 with Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, and Phil Jackson. Not to mention he has the statistical advantages and is a flat out better player and more valuable to his team. LeBron is my MVP at this point.

LeBron
Kobe
Dirk
Carmelo
Nash

No it isn't. If that's the case, give the MVP to Joe Johnson. What he's doing with the Hawks is more impressive than Lebron's doing with the Cavs.

bl2k · Post #1114 » by **bl2k** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:14 pm

Benedict_Boozer wrote:C-Mas day game between LA/CLE will be big. The NBA is hyping that game up and all of the media and voters will be tuning in to watch.

Really think the winner / better performer from that game will have the 1st half MVP momentum swing heavily in their favor. If Kobe wants to stay in the lead I think he needs to win and play well.

Will be interesting to see if Kobe steps up to defend LBJ or if Phil keeps Artest on him the entire game.

lol that game will be a fun little matchup but it won't sway a damn thing

JimMurray · Post #1115 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:15 pm

kaiiu2324 wrote:Player B has Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol,Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest. And with all the talent player B still feels the need to lead the league in FGA.

They're 23-4! Get over it!!!

If it was just the Lakers with some other player, I could point to 6 games this season alone that they would have lost without Kobe. In all of those games, despite all the talent of the team, somehow he is still carrying them.

See5 · Post #1116 » by **See5** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:16 pm

Benedict_Boozer wrote:Really think the winner / better performer from that game will have the 1st half MVP momentum swing heavily in their favor. If Kobe wants to stay in the lead I think he needs to win and play well.

I doubt it. This game isn't that important. Not nearly as important as last year's game.

JimMurray · Post #1117 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:17 pm

kaiiu2324 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
kaiiu2324 wrote:Player B has Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol,Andrew Bynum, and Ron Artest. And with all the talent player B still feels the need to lead the league in Wins.

True

Yea where was these wins before player B got Pau.

Were they not the number one seed before getting Pau and Bynum getting injured? Step your game up dude, I was looking for a workout today. You're not even making me try. Where's Booz at? At least give me lj4mvp....at least he tries to be creative.

JimMurray · Post #1118 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:19 pm

kaiiu2324 wrote:Thats why Gasol is the Lakers MVP.

Are you trying to get written off? Right now, you've fallen into LebronCavs and Lebronade territory.

JimMurray · Post #1119 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:20 pm

CharlieMurphy wrote:
The only thing that's ironic is when people use the word ironic when things aren't ironic.

JimMurray · Post #1120 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:24 pm

lj4mvp wrote:fixed your correction.

and when you factor in things like home vs away, strenght of schedule, etc, the lakers project out to 59 wins, not 70.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

Going by that statistical analysis, which is rarely if ever correct this early into the season....the Cavs are projected to win 55. So what's your point?