I don't think John Wall is the Pacers PG answer....

DWCP2 · Post #1 » by **DWCP2** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:01 pm

....hate to say it. The way the Pacers have drafted since Larry Bird began the rebuilding project has been simple, quality winners from collegiate basketball programs. I truthfully think that's not John Wall.

The guy I really like as our PG for the future is Kalin Lucas out of Michigan State. Floor general mentality, involves others, but also can take the shot if he has to.

There's really only a handful of guys I like in the whole draft.

Post #2 » by **PR07** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:36 pm

I think Wall's too good of a talent to pass up if the Pacers had the opportunity. They apparently liked OJ Mayo a lot when he came out, so I don't think they always go with character.

tinker3284 · Post #3 » by **tinker3284** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:16 pm

Well you guys think it is the players, i don't think so, i think it is the coach more then the players because the coach is trying to cram more **** in there head then what they are used to, pluse i don't think he is a very good coach,i think the pacers should fire him and bring in a coach that know's his ****,that guy sure don't

Post #4 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:42 pm

Lucas is someone who does have the right mentality, but I do have a few reservations, such as his size, and the fact that I haven't seen him play enough. His assist/turnover ratio is slightly better than Wall's this season, but Wall shoots a significantly higher percentage. Wall may not be the answer, but the possibility that he could be is undeniable.

Dunthreevy · Post #5 » by **Dunthreevy** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:30 pm

If John Wall is available and the Pacers don't draft him, I give up, and I mean that.

Grangerous · Post #6 » by **Grangerous** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:45 pm

im with dunthreevy

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #7 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:22 pm

If the Pacers somehow ended up with the #1 pick and drafted Kalin Lucas, I would probably become a Clippers fan because I would have more faith in their management than ours.

H20KilledHeat · Post #8 » by **H20KilledHeat** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:40 am

DWCP2 wrote:....hate to say it. The way the Pacers have drafted since Larry Bird began the rebuilding project has been simple, quality winners from collegiate basketball programs. I truthfully think that's not John Wall.

The guy I really like as our PG for the future is Kalin Lucas out of Michigan State. Floor general mentality, involves others, but also can take the shot if he has to.

There's really only a handful of guys I like in the whole draft.

Kalin lucas is great and all, but if JOHN WALL somehow falls to them (there is no way they could manage to be in the running) they better pick him up with no hesitation

laydo · Post #9 » by **laydo** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:20 am

John Wall is good, but I'd like to trade him to the T-Wolves for the pick to Ricky Rubio if we get the first overall pick.

Rubio is now in Regal FC Barcelona with another Pacers unsign pick, Erazem Lorbek.
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/ ... tilla.html
Both of them can join the Pacers in 2011-12 season, when the Pacers have enough salary space.

8305 · Post #10 » by **8305** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:49 pm

If the Pacers fall into the number 1 pick they will use it to take John Wall. What I've seen of him he looks better than Derick Rose. You worry about style of play, supporting cast of players and coach later. If O'Brien stays on as coach and Wall isn't comfortable with the current offensive style you change the offensive style.

Bottom line if you have an off the charts franchise talent you do everything you can to make him successful.

Kalin Lucas is a nice college point guard. If I had to predict his NBA future today I'd guess he'll make someone a nice backup. Comparing the merits of drafting him or John Wall is incomprehensable.

Post #11 » by **Gremz** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:41 pm

DWCP2 wrote:....hate to say it. The way the Pacers have drafted since Larry Bird began the rebuilding project has been simple, quality winners from collegiate basketball programs. I truthfully think that's not John Wall.

The guy I really like as our PG for the future is Kalin Lucas out of Michigan State. Floor general mentality, involves others, but also can take the shot if he has to.

There's really only a handful of guys I like in the whole draft.

That's a rather bold statement. There's quite a number of guys that I'm looking at with pretty deep interest. Personally, I think the entire lottery is filled with quality.

ahartleyvu · Post #12 » by **ahartleyvu** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:20 am

No offense, but you are smelly.

What do you even mean by a quality winner? UK is undefeated right now, a few wins even coming from John Wall's reggiemillerness. I think you were trying to use a secret code word for low upside?

If for some reason we land John Wall and then trade him(or don't draft him), DWCP2 and Larry Bird will both get rear naked chokes, courtesy of ahartleyvu.

Ohh... I get it. This was a joke post? Not funny.

Let's not use those words here.

hairybyrd · Post #13 » by **hairybyrd** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:58 am

DWCP2 wrote:....hate to say it. The way the Pacers have drafted since Larry Bird began the rebuilding project has been simple, quality winners from collegiate basketball programs. I truthfully think that's not John Wall.

I'm gonna have to disagree on that one.

If Bird's rebuilding project was working then the Pacers wouldn't be in the running for the #1 pick. Indiana's best strategy is to trade Murphy and Dunleavy for an expiring like Shaq, cut him, and tank the season in hopes of getting John Wall. He's simply too good to pass up. Also, under this scenario you're projecting Kalin Lucas as the #1 pick considering that no GM in their right mind would pass on Wall with the #1.

Post #14 » by **Gremz** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:43 am

John Wall is looking like a guy who can bring teams together. I honestly think he's making "winners" out of a lot of the UK roster right now. Will he become a legend in the NBA? Who knows. What I do know is that he's shown to be a gamewinner, an all around player and someone who shows a desire to win. Sounds pretty good to me so far.

DWCP2 · Post #15 » by **DWCP2** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:12 am

But I also like Evan Turner as a SG complement to Granger as well. Grant it, it may not be worth it with wall there at the #1 pick, but Turner is top 3, battle tested in the NCAA, and I think his game can complement Grangers well.

I have not lost faith in Rush could turn his career around, but until he shows the game he left his rookie season with, I'd have to think Turner would be a good answer that high.

I just don't see how Indiana can get the #1 pick, esp with the Nets, being worse then we are.

The top of the draft is a "lottery" remember!

Dunthreevy · Post #16 » by **Dunthreevy** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:53 pm

DWCP2 wrote:But I also like Evan Turner as a SG complement to Granger as well. Grant it, it may not be worth it with wall there at the #1 pick, but Turner is top 3, battle tested in the NCAA, and I think his game can complement Grangers well.

I have not lost faith in Rush could turn his career around, but until he shows the game he left his rookie season with, I'd have to think Turner would be a good answer that high.

I just don't see how Indiana can get the #1 pick, esp with the Nets, being worse then we are.

The top of the draft is a "lottery" remember!

Remember that the worst team in the league often times doesn't actually end up with the #1 pick.

spudmonkey31 · Post #17 » by **spudmonkey31** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:27 am

Even if you are right and wall wasnt the answer for our pg issues we would still be morons if we didnt draft him for trade value alone! why wouldnt we draft a player 29 other teams would LOVE to have

Post #18 » by **Gremz** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:18 am

He's making that UK team look like a serious title contender. The guy is shooting well over .500% from the field as a guard, and with little sign of slowing down. I'm turning into a huge fan of his.

I am kind of hoping that we end up with Ed Davis in this draft though. Something about his overall game really intrigues me.

Post #19 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:27 pm

We have to go with Wall instead of Davis. It's a position of need for us, plain and simple.

Post #20 » by **Gremz** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:21 am

Miller4ever wrote:We have to go with Wall instead of Davis. It's a position of need for us, plain and simple.

Oh no doubt. Us win the lottery though? Really?