PPG 15.7 AST 6.3

[xkirax]

thats the numbers that other teams starting PG's adv vs the Laker yup its time for old man Fisher to take a hike and reitre. The Lakers will never be an elite team with such a pathetic starting PG. Btw befor any of you even try to defend him first list 1 1st string or 2nd string pg clearly worst then Erric Fisher.

[wfiles]

Farmar, Morrison for Kirk Hinrich.

[xkirax]

Farmar, Morrison for Kirk Hinrich.

Kirk is on a horrid contract he isnt worth expiring contracts anymore plus his 3 point shot is nowhere to be found. Might as well start Shamwow.

lol in the game thread lol i just went up and yeah it hit me Fisher is everything wrong with the Lakers.
PG Dust Fisher jumps into our towers foul on our towers
PG Dust Fish Big rotate leaving 1 man open easy layup
PG Saggs off fisher doubles Kobe
Lakers fastbreak pass to Fish chucks and bricks a 3
Other teams get a turn over Fisher last one to cross the mid court line while other team scores on an easy 5 vs 4
Lakers kick out to Fish for needed space bricks a 3 and no one covered cuz they knew he would brick anyways.........

[larry14r]

Farmar, Morrison for Kirk Hinrich.

Kirk is on a horrid contract he isnt worth expiring contracts anymore plus his 3 point shot is nowhere to be found. Might as well start Shamwow.

lol in the game thread lol i just went up and yeah it hit me Fisher is everything wrong with the Lakers.
PG Dust Fisher jumps into our towers foul on our towers
PG Dust Fish Big rotate leaving 1 man open easy layup
PG Saggs off fisher doubles Kobe
Lakers fastbreak pass to Fish chucks and bricks a 3
Other teams get a turn over Fisher last one to cross the mid court line while other team scores on an easy 5 vs 4
Lakers kick out to Fish for needed space bricks a 3 and no one covered cuz they knew he would brick anyways.........

Expect it is not up to you it is up to Phil and and even Kobe because they trust Fish and until someone rises up the starting lineup will not change, and besides Shannon is not ready to strart.

[laduane1]

The off season will be interesting. Do we resign Farmar or Fisher or do we go in a different differection. With no money to spend. A trade might be the only way to go. Jazz just traded a good young PG for nothing to help get under the cap. We need to find on of those deals.

[xkirax]

Farmar, Morrison for Kirk Hinrich.

Kirk is on a horrid contract he isnt worth expiring contracts anymore plus his 3 point shot is nowhere to be found. Might as well start Shamwow.

lol in the game thread lol i just went up and yeah it hit me Fisher is everything wrong with the Lakers.
PG Dust Fisher jumps into our towers foul on our towers
PG Dust Fish Big rotate leaving 1 man open easy layup
PG Saggs off fisher doubles Kobe
Lakers fastbreak pass to Fish chucks and bricks a 3
Other teams get a turn over Fisher last one to cross the mid court line while other team scores on an easy 5 vs 4
Lakers kick out to Fish for needed space bricks a 3 and no one covered cuz they knew he would brick anyways.........

Expect it is not up to you it is up to Phil and and even Kobe because they trust Fish and until someone rises up the starting lineup will not change, and besides Shannon is not ready to strart.

lol i never understand why people say shamwow isnt rdy to start. when you got the worst starter in the league it cant get worst. Lets compair Shamwow to the old man.

old man fish
PPG 7.2
RPG 2.4
APG 3.1
SPG 1.2
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.402
FT% 0.900
3P% 0.348
MPG 26.8

Shamwow
PPG 6.3
RPG 1.8
APG 1.1
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.435
FT% 0.758
3P% 0.340
MPG 17.4

lets see in 9.4 more mins plays Fisher gives you .9 PPG and 2 APG more then Shamwow while shooting .038% less from the field with a .005% better 3P%. Ontop of that No d once so ever while Shamwow looks to be adv to above adv in the D department.... so why is Erek abe to start and shamwow isnt. Last year at this time everyone was having this same discusion on Ariza vs Walton and look how that turned out.....

[larry14r]

It's because Phil and Kobe trusts him and Shannon is still getting use to the system that's why. Also Luke asked himself out of the starting lineup what makes you think Fish do that.

[xkirax]

It's because Phil and Kobe trusts him and Shannon is still getting use to the system that's why. Also Luke asked himself out of the starting lineup what makes you think Fish do that.

I know Fisher is starting over Shamwow even though he shouldnt i was questioning you saying Shamwow wasnt rdy to start and pointing out that a lot of people way saying the same thing about Ariza and Walton last year. Yes i know Walton did what was right for the team and ask himself out of the starting lineup unlike that selfcentered scrub Fisher who is hurting the Lakers team and dear loard the guy says he can still play a few more years please god help us out and have him have a carear ending injury so he can go into the lakers couching staff....

[MambaAssasin24]

Yeah, I agree...Fisher needs to head to the bench and Shannon needs to be given a chance. Heck I'd even try Farmar ahead of Fish at this point. The guy can't play D anymore, bricks 3's, turns over the ball and is just not trustworthy. I just hope Mitch doesn't do something stupid like resign him in the off-season.

[joe.linnen]

I really want Hinrich, his game will turn around playing next to Bryant. I can se him hitting his wide open shots with no problem


Farmar and Morrison for Hinrich


SF:Artest/Walton
PF:Gasol/Odom/Powell
C:Bynum/Mbenga
SG:Bryant/Vujacic
PG:Hinrich/Brown

[Pablo Escobar]

We need to dump sasha he can't hit anything and he doesn't help this team if he is not hitting his shot hopefully adams expiring can get us something with sasha part of the package

[lakeshow248]

Totally agree, Morrison and Sasha or Morrison and Farmar for Kirk is a good deal for both teams. Chicago gets rid of three yrs of 27 mill for a back up and the Lakers' get a real point guard who will pass the ball and not just jack threes. Not to mention Kirk is a good defender, he played Pierce well last year in the playoffs.

You play Hinrich on the bench this year and then switch Fish to the bench next season. Chicago gets 5 million in expiring next season and they get either Farmar who is cheap and expiring or Sasha who will be in his final yrs next year.

I was also thinking of a Odom and Sasha for Kirk and Noah but Chicago probably looking for a big fish this off season w/ their cap being in a great position to add a Bosh type player.

Overall I think Kirk could lead the 2nd unit like actually run plays where he just doesn't jack threes and no actual ball movement, it is sad. The 2nd unit comes out and Farmar or Odom decides to go one on one. Their is no movement just see if they can score on their on, pathetic because Odom only dribbles to left side and Farmar just thinks every jumper will go down.

[microfib4thewin]

I have frequently pushed for a Hinrich trade, but not this year. The outside shooting is so terrible right now fixing the PG spot with a 27 mil contract is not going to cut it. Even though Fish still sucks, he's no doubt still the leader of the team, and guys are willing to play better because of him. When we get Hinrich, so what? The bigs still have no idea how to rotate properly(looking at you Bynum), and it would not make a difference if you have prime Payton playing for us, he would still get burned because no one knows how to help out.

I'm more open to finding shooters so our bench doesn't look lethargic. Farmar has no jumper now just like his UCLA days, Sasha goes back to being terrible, Walton only had a stretch in his contract year that looked like he could hit a 3, and I'd have MBenga shoot a 3 before I give the ball to Morrison. With outside shooting, we wouldn't have games like yesterday where all it took was a big body clogging the lane to throw the entire offense off track.

[dockingsched]

15.7 / 6.3....thats it? man, i thought it would be 20/8 or something.

[jumpman95]

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=971239

[Quincy]

Fisher's minutes just have to be lessened. Let Brown take the bulk.

[xkirax]

Ok everyone update total 15.9 6.3 lol yay i know Fisher's d sucks and just for fun Fisher is adv 7.2 and 3 assist per game............

I really want Hinrich, his game will turn around playing next to Bryant. I can se him hitting his wide open shots with no problem


Farmar and Morrison for Hinrich


SF:Artest/Walton
PF:Gasol/Odom/Powell
C:Bynum/Mbenga
SG:Bryant/Vujacic
PG:Hinrich/Brown

Umm no Hinrich isnt worth expiring contracts only way the Lakers take back that bad contract is 2 sub it out for another bad contract like Sasha's or waltons(please Sasha's)

Totally agree, Morrison and Sasha or Morrison and Farmar for Kirk is a good deal for both teams. Chicago gets rid of three yrs of 27 mill for a back up and the Lakers' get a real point guard who will pass the ball and not just jack threes. Not to mention Kirk is a good defender, he played Pierce well last year in the playoffs.

You play Hinrich on the bench this year and then switch Fish to the bench next season. Chicago gets 5 million in expiring next season and they get either Farmar who is cheap and expiring or Sasha who will be in his final yrs next year.

I was also thinking of a Odom and Sasha for Kirk and Noah but Chicago probably looking for a big fish this off season w/ their cap being in a great position to add a Bosh type player.

Overall I think Kirk could lead the 2nd unit like actually run plays where he just doesn't jack threes and no actual ball movement, it is sad. The 2nd unit comes out and Farmar or Odom decides to go one on one. Their is no movement just see if they can score on their on, pathetic because Odom only dribbles to left side and Farmar just thinks every jumper will go down.

lol why would the Lakers trade for Kirk to send him 2 the bench the one who should be on the bench is Fisher not Kirk, but like i said We wont trade for Kirk with just expiring we would send back Sasha or Walton.

I have frequently pushed for a Hinrich trade, but not this year. The outside shooting is so terrible right now fixing the PG spot with a 27 mil contract is not going to cut it. Even though Fish still sucks, he's no doubt still the leader of the team, and guys are willing to play better because of him. When we get Hinrich, so what? The bigs still have no idea how to rotate properly(looking at you Bynum), and it would not make a difference if you have prime Payton playing for us, he would still get burned because no one knows how to help out.

I'm more open to finding shooters so our bench doesn't look lethargic. Farmar has no jumper now just like his UCLA days, Sasha goes back to being terrible, Walton only had a stretch in his contract year that looked like he could hit a 3, and I'd have MBenga shoot a 3 before I give the ball to Morrison. With outside shooting, we wouldn't have games like yesterday where all it took was a big body clogging the lane to throw the entire offense off track.

Lol ok let me get this straight you have been pusing for a Kirk trade but not this year cuz out shooting is bad? Lol you do know Kirk is a great spot up shooter right? He dose 3 things very well Pass Shoot 3's and Defend so how would Kirk to the Lakers hurt the Lakers outside of his bad contract???? Honestly when other teams are adv 15.9 and 6.3 anyone who can defend would be a HUGE upgrade lol over what we have now...

15.7 / 6.3....thats it? man, i thought it would be 20/8 or something.

Lol your not the only one but yeah we pretty much play vs Magic Johnson every game its sorta sad....

jumpman95

lol lakers dont want that overpaid trash u want us 2 take on Jose ur taking on Walton/Sasha in the prosses outside of that lol i would rather toss Fisher out there atleast he would expire after this year.

Fisher's minutes just have to be lessened. Let Brown take the bulk.

lol fisher just needs 2 get cut the guy hurts the team a lot by being a "warror" ie dosnt know his arse is worthless and wont step down

[dafunky1]

Kirks stats tonite.................14 pts, 3-5 from 3, 7rebs, 6assts, 1 to and lockdown d on CP3. And btw, as a Bulls fan, i think they are about to do the pump and dump with Kirk.With the mediocore east, I think the Bulls are gonna be smart and build around D Rose. We know we aint gonna win nothing this year, all we trying to do is squeak into the playoffs.We are gearing up for 2010.

[GasolsLakers]

Fisher out of the starting lineup would answer my prayers.

[ROballer]

Fisher out of the starting lineup would answer my prayers.

Are you kidding me ??It's gettin hilarious

Guys,this is LebronsCavs,waived a week ago

Proof

According to Mark Stein Gasol is the MVP of the West thus far. I tend to agree with him. They are 16-2 with Gasol and when Gasol isn't having a good game they aren't the same team (see Cavs game). He leads the league in differential between Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating. His 24 point/11 rebound/6 block game yesterday doesn't surprise us any more due to how great he has become.

My MVPs thus far

Lebron
Gasol
Kobe
Melo/Dirk
Dirk/Melo

Kissing gasol' s ass like he used to do just to prove that Kobe has a better suporting cast and downgrade his accomplishments.He put Lebron as no1 ,that made it clear

kissing lebron's arse:

The best comparison is Jordan, because both Jordan and LeBron won the Championship in 7th year, and won MVP at a similar age, and was the statistically greatest player in the NBA.

+1

Kobe IS better than LeBron, people who think otherwise are blinded by stats and highlight plays. Kobes is more skilled than LeBron whereas LeBron is more power.

and your blinded by ignorance.

so what, kobe has the best supporting cast in the league, funny when he had a support similar to lebrons the lakers struggled to make the playoffs.

THIS is why Lebron > Kobe. He impacts the game way more in way more ways. Switch Lebron for Kobe and the Lakers win 72+ and the chip, while the Cavs are a 45 win team.

his next 3 years are his basketball prime.

and he has been the best player in the league for 2 years already.

This. Lebron will only continue to expand the gap.

his previous sig:

Obviously it's hard to win if Bryant SHOOTS poorly since he takes a bulk of the shots, but last year there were PLENTY of games where he went 4-13 for like 10-12 points and the Lakers dominated.

Actually Magic Fan is right. The Lakers were 17-8 last year when Kobe shot under 40%.

hate on kobe:

lebron already has two all star bigs? z and shaq. two former all-star center


the Lakers has 2 allstar bigs? I only counted 1 - gasol.

Well if you want to use that argument then you can say Kobe got embarrassed in the finals with 3 first ballot future hall of famers.

Are you really not blaming Kobe at all for that game? Bryant is the only one who showed up? Thats hysterical. He shot 11-32 and was the main reason Bynum got ZERO touches in the post. Gasol had trouble getting in the offense as well because the supposed "triangle" offense turned into Kobe dominate the ball offense. This probably led to the lackadaisical defense by the Lakers as well. I know when I'm out playing bball and when one player on my team takes as many shots as the the rest of the players combined (fisher, artest, gasol,bynum) I don't really want to try hard on defense. Kobe deserves a lot of the blame for the loss by trying to turn the game into a 1 on 1 game.

And he still don't admit it even though other guys noticed too

^Are you **** kidding me?You write the same posts about how good lebron is compared to kobe and you expect no one to dicover your true identity?You were waived for a reason and you will be again if you continue.

I was sure from your first post that you are LebronsCavs and I watched you since.YOU ARE CLEARLY HIM

and the 17-8 **** just confirmed it

I still have no clue what you are talking about and had no clue this guy LebronsCavs got banned. What I can confirm is that you are clearly a stalker.

I find it hilarious that he comes to our board and actually pretends to care about Fisher and the Lakers after mocking Kobe on GB and Players Comparisons