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Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09

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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#121 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:14 am

eltacoman wrote:please trade jAMISON to the Cavs for big Z and there 1st while we still can!!!!.........please ERnie .. hope Ted sees that if the big 3 cant get it done in minny Freaking MInny ? dam .... they will never make it out the freakin first round of the playoffs ......... trade Caron to GS for Randolf ... tank for John wall ... Mcgee Randolf Wall .... trade Gill & Blatche to Portland for Rudy fillers ...and Haywood and Miller to Utah for AK and ny 1st greg monroe ... Mcgee Monroe Randolf Rudy Wall


Blow this team up Correctly and not when are backs are up against the wall ....blow this up right while we still can


no eg do not send aj to the cavs. cavs become instant contenders which makes me sick
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#122 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:18 am

I agree, do anything but send Jamison to the Cavs. That's the move that would turn them to real title contenders not just ESPN hyped contenders.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#123 » by montestewart » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:28 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:I agree, do anything but send Jamison to the Cavs. That's the move that would turn them to real title contenders not just ESPN hyped contenders.

I don't really want to help the Cavs, and especially not in a Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown kind of way, but the issue is making the best moves to improve my team. If making the Cavs title contenders helps the Wizards, whatever. I like my team more than I hate any other team.

Besides, it might not help the Cavs -- imagine them benching Jamison after Lebron has a fit over one too many 3P clunkers with 20 seconds left, and opposing offenses could use Jamison as an additional pick.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#124 » by Lucrazi28 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:46 am

just about half of the team is from laid-back california.... maybe thats why this team is so soft....... :roll:
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#125 » by closg00 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:45 pm

Nothing to see here folks, move along. The Wizards are a soft, jump-shooting team, they live or die based upon their shot%.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#126 » by Ruzious » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:44 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:When I say play McGee WHAT I"M REALLY SAYING IS SIT JAMISON AT PF or MOVE HIM TO SF. Play Javale 10-15 minutes a game and make sure not to play Jamison 40. That's just bad coaching.

The problem with this team is they get killed inside and FLip's going to make sure it keeps happening.

Blatche sucks now.

I blame Flip.

I think you're exactly right. I think the only way to get Blatche to really wake up is to make him a bigger part of the team. And with all the penetrating going on against our perimeter players, we need a 2nd shot-blocker like him - not to mention some defensive rebounding. There's certainly no reason to play Oberto over McGee, and Blatche is a PF - not a C. With Jamison at the 3, we'd be harder to defend due to matchup advantages, and we'd be better on the boards. Hopefully, we can still get a good package for Butler. And we know that what we're doing now has completely failed for 1 and a half seasons. Keeping on doing it and expecting different results = definition of insanity.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#127 » by queridiculo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:35 pm

Yesterday the vets on this Wizards team have yet again proven that they cannot be trusted to turn this thing around. This team is done, finished, over.

I hate the Cavs with every ounce of my being, but like others have already mentioned, I'm more concerned with this teams long term chances and if that means shipping Jamison to Cleveland for an expiring, so be it.

Proposed moves:

Jamison (WAS) for Ilgauskas (CLE)
Butler, James, Foye (WAS) for Tracy McCrady (CLE)
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#128 » by nate33 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:04 pm

hermitkid wrote:Butler, James, Foye (WAS) for Tracy McCrady (CLE)

That's just foolish. You are giving away Butler for nothing. Indeed, you are taking on about $4M in salary just to unload him.

Butler is worth way more than that.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#129 » by queridiculo » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:18 pm

That's right, I'm giving him away for cap relief, that's all I really care for. What this team needs is a complete reboot. Butler is being severly overrated on this board. He's only effective as a volume shooter, turnover prone, a tweener without a true position and a 2011 expiring contract that will demand a 4 year deal.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#130 » by nate33 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:33 pm

hermitkid wrote:That's right, I'm giving him away for cap relief, that's all I really care for. What this team needs is a complete reboot. Butler is being severly overrated on this board. He's only effective as a volume shooter, turnover prone, a tweener without a true position and a 2011 expiring contract that will demand a 4 year deal.

Fine. Trade him for cap relief plus a pick. Or at least trade him for an expiring contract of smaller size so we save some money immediately.

I see no advantage in "dumping" Butler. The cap room wouldn't help us. We're better off trading him for a talented player.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#131 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:44 pm

There's no need to trade Butler for a straight expiring, there's too many teams that could use him to even think about that.

He's an excellent second option scorer who can get his own shot in the playoffs on a reasonable contract.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#132 » by mohammed10 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:00 pm

closg00 wrote:Nothing to see here folks, move along. The Wizards are a soft, jump-shooting team, they live or die based upon their shot%.


Agree closg.

Wizzies are painful to watch, and have been for a while now. Total 'me-first' basketball. Losing has become engrained in this team's culture. I see, now, one reason Antawn takes so many threes (or at least I can justify it to myself). Since there's no passing to the big-men (and no one posts up their man underneath anyway), he drifts outside so he can get a few touches, and then lets 'em fly because he knows he's never going to see the ball, again. This team is all about chucking up jump shots--and they're not that great of shooters. It's hard to see how Gilbert is going to work out as the point in this offense. After watching a game like that, it's pretty clear this team just doesn't care that much about winning. Plain and simple.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#133 » by ErikChowbay023 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:06 pm

I believe there are two leaders on this team...

Gilbert and Flip..

Im loving how Flip is not afraid to tell this team what they need to be told...

Gilbert is also becoming a lot more mature, he didnt call anybody out individually, but he called the team out...

It's easy to jump all over the Wizards and get upset that they lost to the team with the worst record in the Western Conference, the Minnesota Timberwolves, but I'll let Gilbert Arenas make my point for me.

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"We can call them the worst team in the West, but it's not like we've got that many wins over them," Arenas said after the Wizards lost 101-89 on Saturday night. "Right now, we are one of the worst teams in the East until we can prove ourselves. Right now, we win two, we lose four. So, until we turn it around and go out there and play like we're hungry and stop playing like we're looking for something."

Flip- They had Saunders looking ill most of the night, as he angrily paced up and down the court. He slouched his shoulders after each bad jumper early in the shot clock. He turned and rolled his eyes as the Timberwolves consistently beat them to offensive rebounds. And he repeatedly shouted at players whenever they missed a defensive assignment. He didn't have a hard time explaining how the Wizards shot just 39.5 percent: "Guys have to be disciplined. They have to be willing to turn down a shot at time. Tonight, we had no shot discipline. Tonight, it was, 'I haven't taken a shot, so I'm going to shoot it.' when you do that, you shoot 38 percent from the field."

Until we decide that we get upset when we miss defensive assignments, as much as we get upset when we don't get the ball on offense, we're not going to take that next step," Saunders said.

Antawn- Whatever they had been doing correctly, the Wizards must've lost it under the piles of snow in Minnesota. "It's getting frustrating," Antawn Jamison said after scoring 20 points. "We go through the motions. Act like we 25-5. we got to realize, this is an uphill battle. The opportunity is still there. That's the frustrating about it. until we get our [stuff] together and realize how important it is to win these games, especially tonight, on the road. We got to make up some games somehow and right now, we're not playing smart enough to put ourselves in position to win these games."

They certainly won't take the next step if they don't play team basketball. As Jamison walked out of the locker room, fuming, he said, "Aint nothing you can talk about. We played selfish basketball at times. On the road, you can't do that. I don't care who you're playing against."
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#134 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:17 pm

A player with defensive flaws like Jamison should not be calling out ****. I hate watching him blow assignment after assignment and then bitch at other players.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#135 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:37 pm

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:A player with defensive flaws like Jamison should not be calling out ****. I hate watching him blow assignment after assignment and then bitch at other players.


Couldn't have said it better myself. At this, point, AJ is of negative value to us. Be it age, shoulder injuries, complacency, whatever... he is playing the worst ball I've ever seen him play. He is gobbling up minutes better spent on younger and, at this point, better players; He is borderline insolent when he gets removed from games; he is actually divisive where he has been, for years, a unifying force.

I think he could still thrive in the right place. Send him to PHO and he'd be lights out. He'd get some motivation back to at least TRY to defend and rebound, he'd get to catch and shoot volumes in rhythm off Nash's assists.

I've always been of the mind that, as we improve and he ages, he would be a great commodity as a steady presence off the bench. So, I've never really been in favor of dumping him. But, this season has really changed my mind. He needs to go... it would be addition by subtraction at this point.
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Post#136 » by Tyrone Messby » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:50 am

LOL. Anyone who still believes in this team after last night's loss is delusional. As I sat there last night watching the loss against the T'Wolves I just couldn't help but shake my head.The Wizards just LOST to the team that gave them two of their better veterans in return for helping them with the rebuild effort. If this isn't this Wizards team in a nutshell, I don't know what is. This team is weak, soft, and whatever other name they can be called that stems from having no heart.
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Post#137 » by mohammed10 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:59 am

Tyrone Messby wrote:LOL. Anyone who still believes in this team after last night's loss is delusional. As I sat there last night watching the loss against the T'Wolves I just couldn't help but shake my head.The Wizards just LOST to the team that gave them two of their better veterans in return for helping them with the rebuild effort. If this isn't this Wizards team in a nutshell, I don't know what is. This team is weak, soft, and whatever other name they can be called that stems from having no heart.


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Re: Game Thread: WAS at MIN - 12/26/09 

Post#138 » by MJG » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:42 am

Tyrone Messby wrote:LOL. Anyone who still believes in this team after last night's loss is delusional. As I sat there last night watching the loss against the T'Wolves I just couldn't help but shake my head.The Wizards just LOST to the team that gave them two of their better veterans in return for helping them with the rebuild effort. If this isn't this Wizards team in a nutshell, I don't know what is. This team is weak, soft, and whatever other name they can be called that stems from having no heart.

True, but then again, anyone who believed in the team prior to last night's loss was also delusional.

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