How about this bold idea?

celticsfanforlife · Post #1 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:02 am

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Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -25.4 ppg, -5.6 rpg, and -4.6 apg.

Incoming Players
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
16.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 35.8 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
1.4 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.8 minutes
Glen Davis
6-8 PF from LSU
0.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
22.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 36.0 minutes
Antawn Jamison
6-9 PF from North Carolina
20.4 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 37.3 minutes

and throw them a draft pick or whatever extra..

Green0017 · Post #2 » by **Green0017** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:30 am

Washington does this because...

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #3 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:40 am

Pierce and Arenas on the same team?Ehh no..I don't see it...Arenas is a punk...he would probably kill our chemistry. Washington laughs at this by the way...

SonicYouth34 · Post #4 » by **SonicYouth34** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:39 am

Green0017 wrote:Washington does this because...

We do this because...

TheOGJabroni · Post #5 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:45 am

We add a lot of talent, but Gilbert will not be the player Ray currently is for us. Also, he wouldn't be the team player Ray is either. Jamison is nice, but ultimately, the uncertainty of how a team constructed like that after such a trade is not worth the risk IMO.

Having said all that, Washington does not do this anyway. For whatever reason they are still in denial about not being a serious contender with how their team is constructed.

SonicYouth34 · Post #6 » by **SonicYouth34** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:52 am

CELTICSinME wrote:Having said all that, Washington does not do this anyway. For whatever reason they are still in denial about not being a serious contender with how their team is constructed.

I think you guys are underestimating how untradable Gilbert's contract really is. $100+ million for 20+7 and a all around crappy season is pretty bad.

Yinwest · Post #7 » by **Yinwest** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:54 am

LOL......

Maple Green · Post #8 » by **Maple Green** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:27 am

It never happen because DA and Jamison had a bad blood . It was happen when DA was still in Phoenix Sun. Arenas? I don't think so... long contract.....injury prone.....ballhog.....

Andrew McCeltic · Post #9 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:06 am

Never happens, although Arenas is good. Plus, Jamison would be stuck playing the same role Glen Davis is now - at a much higher price. Could get a third team involved. I think Ray stays through the trade deadline, but I wonder how much value his expiring contract has around the league.. especially since the other teams with big ending deals are looking to be players in free agency.

celticsfanforlife · Post #10 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:12 am

Washington would get younger with Davis and save a lot of money by getting the Ray expiring.

Ray is playing very well right now, but I would risk this year's chemistry for a shot at the title the next two years too.

realfung · Post #11 » by **realfung** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:49 pm

I understand this is a Celtics forum, but when you think about trading, please think about why the other team will do this before posting.

Good job on the salary match, but this is just stupid for the Wiz.

realfung · Post #12 » by **realfung** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:50 pm

celticsfanforlife wrote:Washington would get younger with Davis and save a lot of money by getting the Ray expiring.

Ray is playing very well right now, but I would risk this year's chemistry for a shot at the title the next two years too.

So trading their franchise player just to salary dump and get YOUNGER in Davis???
Big Baby?

Post #13 » by **canman1971** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:41 am

realfung wrote:I understand this is a Celtics forum, but when you think about trading, please think about why the other team will do this before posting.

Good job on the salary match, but this is just stupid for the Wiz.

Well, I hate to tell you but this is just as bad from a Celtics POV.

MVE85 · Post #14 » by **MVE85** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:54 am

This has got to be a joke.

celticsfanforlife · Post #15 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:33 pm

You understand the Wizards can barely win any games right?

And that Ray's expiring.

And that Jamison is on the tail end of his career.

And that the transition back in with Gilb hasn't been that smooth, and hes an injury risk and has a long term deal, and could look like Steve Francis soon right?

If not, fine, cycle Jamison out and match the salaries with other players..Its the idea that matters...

celticsfanforlife · Post #16 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:28 am

ESPN.com reported Saturday that the Washington Wizards had reached out to the Rockets in an exploratory manner about a possible Gilbert Arenas-for-McGrady swap, but Houston has no interest in such a deal. Arenas ranks as one of the league's most difficult players to move with four seasons left after this one on a mammoth $111 million contract and a history of knee problems to rival McGrady's.
:roll:

6and33areGOD · Post #17 » by **6and33areGOD** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:32 am

For the people saying why does Washinton do this, you realize they'd take the chance to get out of Gil's contract in a second right? If they're willing to trade him for McGrady who (although at 100% is more talented then Ray) has barely played for 2 years now, they'd most certainly take a deal for an expiring Ray allen. That said, once Gil gets in a groove he'll be a better player than Ray, but his style really doesn't mesh with the Celts at all. Ray is the perfect 3rd option for our offense, because he's so good at moving without the ball while Rondo and KG are such great passers. Getting Gilbert kills that dynamic.
Then, you have the financial aspect of the deal. Ray is an expiring contract. Gilbert is promised about $95,000,000 through the 2013/2014 season, and Jamison is owed about 39 mil through the 11/12 season. This trade puts the Celtics in cap hell, especially if/when Arenas gets hurt again.

celticsfanforlife · Post #18 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:58 pm

Its worth it for the talent. I think Gilbert and Rondo would play great together in a backcourt.

If we get a third team involved to get Jamison, great. Maybe Golden State? Bring their boy home?

Golden State Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.6 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

Incoming Players
Glen Davis
6-8 PF from LSU
3.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.6 minutes
Tony Allen
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
8.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 20.6 minutes
Antawn Jamison
6-9 PF from North Carolina
20.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 37.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Corey Maggette
6-6 SF from Duke
17.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Speedy Claxton
5-11 PG from Hofstra
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.1 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.5 minutes

Boston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +9.3 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +4.8 apg.

Incoming Players
Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.1 minutes
Devean George
6-8 SF from Augsburg-MN
3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.5 minutes
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
22.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 36.5 minutes
Fabricio Oberto
6-10 PF / C from Argentina (Foreign)
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.3 apg in 13.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
16.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.1 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
1.3 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.4 minutes
Glen Davis
6-8 PF from LSU
3.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.6 minutes
Tony Allen
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
8.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 20.6 minutes

Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -9.9 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -3.8 apg.

Incoming Players
Corey Maggette
6-6 SF from Duke
17.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes
Speedy Claxton
5-11 PG from Hofstra
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
16.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.9 apg in 36.1 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
1.3 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
22.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 36.5 minutes
Antawn Jamison
6-9 PF from North Carolina
20.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 37.7 minutes
Fabricio Oberto
6-10 PF / C from Argentina (Foreign)
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.3 apg in 13.6 minutes

If they really wanna get rid of Randolph for some reason...Claxton is another big expiring there so a plus for Washington..we upgrade our bench huge..Randolph/Oberto/George is worth any minor chem loss with Gilbert in. I think he'd subscribe to the program though. Golden State would get a first from both teams, and Washington would get a 2nd from Gs and a conditional first from boston.

celticsfanforlife · Post #19 » by **celticsfanforlife** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:00 pm

Oh, and I think Tony and Big Baby would thrive in GS..TA as a backup point guard and defensive option on the wings, and Big Baby at the undersized 5..

irie · Post #20 » by **irie** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:11 pm

Neither team would do this.