Game 15: Seahawks @ Packers

[LUKE23]

The 6-10 team was tabbed by several services as essentially the most unlucky team in NFL history. Them finishing 6-10 proves nothing about the talent level on the team. They lost the most close games in history with a first year starting QB. The year before they were 13-3 winning several games by 10+. This year, they have blown out the bad teams and played the tough teams close or won close.

The Packers are a top 10 team in terms of talent in the NFL, if not higher.

And I agree, TT will be here a while. Those that don't like it are going to be upset.

[LUKE23]

TT is to credit for:

Rodgers
Grant
Jennings
Woodson
Pickett
Jolly
Raji
Hawk
Matthews
Chillar
Collins
Bigby
Finley
T. Williams
B. Jones
J. Jones
Nelson

Only one of those players is over 30 years old (maybe 2, can't remember on Pickett).

Of major contributors, we have Kampman, who was a non-factor this year, Harris, who is likely done, Barnett, Jenkins, Driver as non-TT players for major contributors.

He definitely has a ridiculously huge hand in this roster.

[eagle13]

The 6-10 team was tabbed by several services as essentially the most unlucky team in NFL history. Them finishing 6-10 proves nothing about the talent level on the team. They lost the most close games in history with a first year starting QB. The year before they were 13-3 winning several games by 10+. This year, they have blown out the bad teams and played the tough teams close or won close.

Just to clarify - Tampa Bay.

[Newz]

I think you can add Clifton and Tauscher in as major contributors too, Luke.

But I agree, TT has brought in the majority of our roster and it is a very, very talented roster.

[LUKE23]

Just to clarify - Tampa Bay.

The same team the Saints lost to in New Orleans. One game doesn't change my point, obviously.

[LUKE23]

I think you can add Clifton and Tauscher in as major contributors too, Luke.

But I agree, TT has brought in the majority of our roster and it is a very, very talented roster.

Agreed, although I think Clifton was garbage this year. Tauscher has really solidified the line.

[Newz]

I think you can add Clifton and Tauscher in as major contributors too, Luke.

But I agree, TT has brought in the majority of our roster and it is a very, very talented roster.

Agreed, although I think Clifton was garbage this year. Tauscher has really solidified the line.

Clifton started off pretty awful this year... I think he has been playing average'ish as of late.

You should add Lang to your list, he helped out big time this year... Without him we would have been screwed with some of the injuries we had. I also think Lang will be a major contribute at at guard or RT in the future.

[chuckleslove]

I've always had one complaint about TT and his philosophy on building our team and that is how he handles the offensive line. He wants to get 8 guys who are athletic that can play multiple positions and have flexibility rather than getting us some stud players and being set for a while.

TT has at least shown over the past year that he has the ability to adapt and change though because before the draft last year I was under the impression he would no matter what draft the best player available and trade down rather than up, not only did he draft for needs last year he traded up to land a stud in Clay Matthews. Hopefully we can see more of that next year as we address our needs on the offensive line, corner back, maybe a stud running back? Time will tell what direction we go in but I was very happy to see TT go outside of his normal comfort zone/philosophy last year in the draft and I hope we see more of that going forward when the price is right of course.

[Newz]

I've always had one complaint about TT and his philosophy on building our team and that is how he handles the offensive line. He wants to get 8 guys who are athletic that can play multiple positions and have flexibility rather than getting us some stud players and being set for a while

I agree. I like TT, but I am also of the opinion that having a good/great offensive line is probably the most important thing in football. If I was starting a franchise and I didn't get one of the 'elite' QBs, I would probably take the best left tackle (or a dominant 4-3 defensive end who can consistently beat a great LT/RT) next. Protecting your QB and being able to pressure the QB, especially in today's NFL, is huge.

I think Thompson has done an incredible job of assembling a team full of young talent that can compete for the next 5-10 years... But, he has done a bad job with the offensive line thus far. It's something he must correct (or at least start to correct) next season.

[ReasonablySober]

Thompson is going to be here a while, folks. People that don't like him are simply going to have to accept that.

He brought in a franchise QB, two young stud targets at WR and TE, the NFC's 3rd leading rusher, completely rebuilt the front seven with impact players, signed the NFC's leading DPOY candidate and drafted an All-Pro safety. He's going to need to work to replace Clifton, Tauscher, and Harris but find me another team in the entire league without at least three guys that need to be replaced.

Just to clarify - Barnett & Jenkins were here prior to TT. To his credit TT extended/resigned both- tho that was a no brainer.

I know. Hawk, Matthews, Raji, Jones, Jolly, Pickett and Chillar. That's what I meant by rebuild the front seven.

[Ayt]

People claim some of the re-signings were no brainers, but if you look at the dollar amounts and the structure he's generally not paying top dollar and the deals are team friendly if it doesn't workout for some reason and the guy needs to be cut.

He's also reworked a bunch of deals for vets over the years.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we've gotten nothing out of a 1st round and a 2nd rounder because of injury the last few years. Harrell and Lee have barely played. People can point out Harrell's injury history in college (rightfully so), but Lee could very well be our nickel right now instead of Bush were he not hurt.

Most other teams would be even worse off than we are considering Bush was actually a swing backup safety and CB back in training camp. He would have been 6th on the depth chart behind Woody, Harris, Traymon, Blackmon, and Lee. We are down a ton of guys at that position and Bush has at least been serviceable.

CB may very well be our downfall, but I think we'd be alright if one of Blackmon or Lee were healthy. Losing 3 of your top 5 CBs is brutal.

[LarryHarris]

I've always had one complaint about TT and his philosophy on building our team and that is how he handles the offensive line. He wants to get 8 guys who are athletic that can play multiple positions and have flexibility rather than getting us some stud players and being set for a while.

Totally agree, I was stoked with how the Matthews pick worked out, but at the time I was hoping for a long-shot TT trade-up to get Oher. The offensive line needs to be addressed this offseason by getting some specific-position studs up front. That said, they have to be the right guys to do the zone-blocking, because I think that is still our prerogative when we are running the ball...