People need to give Giddens a chance

[return2glory]

It's funny to him how so many fans here think JR Giddens is a bad player. Everyone is counting this kid out. I think it has a lot to do with people not having seen him play. I've seen JR play in college, I saw him play in a live NBDL game last year. This kid can play. Ainge didn't draft him in the 1st round for no reason.

Danny Ainge also likes Giddens. I've never seen a NBA GM throw alley oop passes in front of thousands of fans like Ainge did with JR before the Clippers game last season in L.A. I saw JR hit 11 straight 3's, and 14-15 3's when he was shooting before the game on 12/27 vs the Clippers.

For those of you who don't know much about JR, here is want you need to know. The guy is a great athlete, better than even Bill Walker. He can rebound, defend, pass, drive, and shoot the ball. What he lacks in confidence which will come with playing time. He also has great quickness and very long arms and help him defend. He is also a good person and takes time out and talks to the fans.

Here are a few clips on JR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91Td5P57pE&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPLb0Z3Ry7s

[Joselo16]

There is something that Danny definitely likes in JR, if not he would have been cut a long time ago. I too find it hilarious that people want him gone when he has barely played any this year and none last year. In my opinion he's just been passive on offense because he himself probably doesn't know what the team wants from him, besides being aggressive on D. and I think being aggressive is part of his style. He is definitely an intriguing prospect hopefully we see more of him.

[Dogen]

I'd be happy to give JR a chance, but if there is also a chance that he could be a part of a trade that would give the team even a 1% greater chance of winning #18, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He may be a good player, but not a difference maker. Maybe I'm wrong and just have not seen enough of him, but is there any indication that he will be more than a role player who will likely play for short contacts with several different teams over his career?

[GuyClinch]

Didn't people say the same about Pruitt, Green - and those guys did alot more then Giddens.

[canman1971]

Giddens is being kept around for one reason: trade fodder. Other than that, he is useless. And for the other players that people are clamoring for. I know it is garbage time, but when you get on the floor, at least look like you can play basketball. At the end of the game, I thought I was watching some comedy show. They all made Scal look like an all-star.

[Jammer]

return2glory:

Giddens will be 25 next month,
which is where talent is supposed to start showing,
since basketball players peak years are typically 27-28,
and still strong at 29-31 because of knowing how to play,
and gracefully declining each year after that.

Age 24-26 you're already supposed to see what a guy has,
except that Big Men typically don't manifest until their 6th season.

Giddens was a strange pick, skillset wise, given that the Celtics
already had Tony Allen, who thus far has been clearly better.

Giddens only averaged 18 ppg in D-League, so he wasn't
lighting it up there either, while Morris Almond of Utah
was putting up 27 ppg in D-League as a shooting guard,
and Utah still cut Almond the next season.

Danny could have drafted 6'11" DeAndre Jordan, who reportedly had
a low basketball IQ and low motivation, but natural size and athletisicm.
Danny apparently thought that he was covered up front,
plus he may have known that he had an inside track to Rasheed Wallace.

They passed on Mario Chalmers, who is not really an improvement on Eddie House.

Chris Douglas Roberts seemed undersized for a SG, and a little slow, but
with a very strong Skillset including a shot, and excellent passing and fundamentals.

However, 4 months after drafting Giddens, Danny Ainge reportedly offered Orlando
Gabe Pruitt + Giddens for JJ Redick, which Orlando declined,
because at the time they had Mickael Petrius and Keith Bogans,
which meant they had no need for Giddens, and
Orlando wasn't sure that Pruitt was actually a point guard.

So, strangely, 4 months after drafting Giddens, Dannny tried to trade him for JJ Redick,
who is just a slightly bigger (6' 4" true height) version of Chris Douglas Roberts.


pete said it best. The NBA is a meritocracy.
However, Giddens has done nothing to
warrant extended playing time.

[Tenbomber]

I watched the Suns/Celts game last night....and I was thinking the whole time....why not try playing Giddens and Rondo together?... why not bring in Walker instead of Scal?

I hate it when we are out of a game like we were last night.....

I mean this used to happen to the old time Celtic teams too....but the difference was that back then Red used these games to try some new combinations....

One of those trial combos was to try the Jones boys together....

More than once, KC and Sam brought the Celtics back with their "D"....Just sayin here...

Why dosen't Doc try some different combinations when it's just not going well?

I mean we only lead our division by about nine games? It's not like it's imperitive that we win every game?...I mean were were down 20 with almost a quarter to go?

It might be fun to watch what happens too when "the kids" are inserted into a lineup with some of the starters?

Especially with Pierce and KG out?

Bottom line...
I want to see the kids play more....give them a chance and bring them in with some front line players and lets see what they really can do?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Ainge didn't draft him in the 1st round for no reason.

And there's also a reason why Ainge didn't excercise his option for JR beyond this year.

I've never seen a NBA GM throw alley oop passes in front of thousands of fans like Ainge did with JR before the Clippers game last season in L.A. I saw JR hit 11 straight 3's, and 14-15 3's when he was shooting before the game on 12/27 vs the Clippers.

Okay, please answer this honestly - who do you think has seen JR Giddens play more? You, or Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge? I'd be willing to bet everything I own, take out a loan out and then bet that money, that Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge has seen JR play more than you have. Am I right or am I wrong? There's a reason that Doc doesn't play him. I don't have anything personal against JR, but to imply that I'm supposed to give him a chance when Doc, a guy who sees him play on a daily basis, doesn't even want to play him, is ridiculous.

[Zin5]

I agree that he has all the tools and that all he needs is confidence with playing time, but we aren't the Celtics from 2007 anymore. We just can't afford to give late first and second round picks all the playing time they need to develop. Walker and Giddens should be getting some time due to all the injuries (we're not winning whether they play or not, so we might as well rest our key players), but we can't just give them time for the purpose of developing.

[return2glory]

Didn't people say the same about Pruitt, Green - and those guys did alot more then Giddens.

Not me. I was suprised Pruitt was even drafted. Green was an unknown coming out of high school.

The same people that said Adam Morrison is going to be a player are the same people that say Giddens doesn't deserve time on the floor.

[Hemingway]

I'm all for giving him and the others a chance, but I have no idea what goes on at practice. Doc knows if they can play or not. Also I think we are going to try to trade Tony Allen so his minutes will be high until he is gone, gets hurt or the deadline passes.

[return2glory]

Giddens is being kept around for one reason: trade fodder. Other than that, he is useless. And for the other players that people are clamoring for. I know it is garbage time, but when you get on the floor, at least look like you can play basketball. At the end of the game, I thought I was watching some comedy show. They all made Scal look like an all-star.

Have you see Giddens play? And don't count the time he has spent in Boston, because Giddens hasn't played here yet?

Who made Scal look like an all-star? Where you a little drunk at the end of the game because to make a statement like that, you must have been. Scalabrine is the worst player in the NBA.

Actaully at the end of the game was the only time the guys on the floor were hussling. They started playing some defense and brought the energy. But our coach is brain dead of late and plays lineup at are too small.

[return2glory]

return2glory:

Giddens will be 25 next month,
which is where talent is supposed to start showing,
since basketball players peak years are typically 27-28,
and still strong at 29-31 because of knowing how to play,
and gracefully declining each year after that.

Age 24-26 you're already supposed to see what a guy has,
except that Big Men typically don't manifest until their 6th season.

Giddens was a strange pick, skillset wise, given that the Celtics
already had Tony Allen, who thus far has been clearly better.

Giddens only averaged 18 ppg in D-League, so he wasn't
lighting it up there either, while Morris Almond of Utah
was putting up 27 ppg in D-League as a shooting guard,
and Utah still cut Almond the next season.

Danny could have drafted 6'11" DeAndre Jordan, who reportedly had
a low basketball IQ and low motivation, but natural size and athletisicm.
Danny apparently thought that he was covered up front,
plus he may have known that he had an inside track to Rasheed Wallace.

They passed on Mario Chalmers, who is not really an improvement on Eddie House.

Chris Douglas Roberts seemed undersized for a SG, and a little slow, but
with a very strong Skillset including a shot, and excellent passing and fundamentals.

However, 4 months after drafting Giddens, Danny Ainge reportedly offered Orlando
Gabe Pruitt + Giddens for JJ Redick, which Orlando declined,
because at the time they had Mickael Petrius and Keith Bogans,
which meant they had no need for Giddens, and
Orlando wasn't sure that Pruitt was actually a point guard.

So, strangely, 4 months after drafting Giddens, Dannny tried to trade him for JJ Redick,
who is just a slightly bigger (6' 4" true height) version of Chris Douglas Roberts.


pete said it best. The NBA is a meritocracy.
However, Giddens has done nothing to
warrant extended playing time.

Jammer, your comment means nothing. I'm sure you haven't seen Giddens play. Giddens and Walker haven't done nothing in the NBA because they haven't played in the NBA yet. What has Scal done to get minutes? The guy is getting worse as his career goes along.

I'm not saying Giddens is going to be a great player. But the guy has some skills. And with Pierce out, we need him to play a little. Scalabrine does nothing on the floor except make us look like we are playing 4 on 5 out there.

[return2glory]

Ainge didn't draft him in the 1st round for no reason.

And there's also a reason why Ainge didn't excercise his option for JR beyond this year.

I've never seen a NBA GM throw alley oop passes in front of thousands of fans like Ainge did with JR before the Clippers game last season in L.A. I saw JR hit 11 straight 3's, and 14-15 3's when he was shooting before the game on 12/27 vs the Clippers.

Okay, please answer this honestly - who do you think has seen JR Giddens play more? You, or Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge? I'd be willing to bet everything I own, take out a loan out and then bet that money, that Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge has seen JR play more than you have. Am I right or am I wrong? There's a reason that Doc doesn't play him. I don't have anything personal against JR, but to imply that I'm supposed to give him a chance when Doc, a guy who sees him play on a daily basis, doesn't even want to play him, is ridiculous.

What's ridiculolous is that Doc would play Scal about 40 minutes if it wasn't for Scal's 6 fouls vs the Suns. Scal has to be one of the worst players in the NBA right now and he is getting playing time.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Ainge didn't draft him in the 1st round for no reason.

And there's also a reason why Ainge didn't excercise his option for JR beyond this year.

I've never seen a NBA GM throw alley oop passes in front of thousands of fans like Ainge did with JR before the Clippers game last season in L.A. I saw JR hit 11 straight 3's, and 14-15 3's when he was shooting before the game on 12/27 vs the Clippers.

Okay, please answer this honestly - who do you think has seen JR Giddens play more? You, or Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge? I'd be willing to bet everything I own, take out a loan out and then bet that money, that Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge has seen JR play more than you have. Am I right or am I wrong? There's a reason that Doc doesn't play him. I don't have anything personal against JR, but to imply that I'm supposed to give him a chance when Doc, a guy who sees him play on a daily basis, doesn't even want to play him, is ridiculous.

What's ridiculolous is that Doc would play Scal about 40 minutes if it wasn't for Scal's 6 fouls vs the Suns. Scal has to be one of the worst players in the NBA right now and he is getting playing time.

Doc thinks Scal is better than JR.
You think JR is better than Scal.
Doc sees him play everyday against NBA players.
You saw him play against college players 2 years ago, against NBDL players last year, then saw him hit uncontested jumpers during pre-game warmups.

So, whose opinion should I trust?

[ARB729]

Come on man, you JUST made a thread about this. We get it, you think that Giddens deserves a shot. Unfortunately, you're not correct. We really can't be developing rookies with little talent when we're trying to make a Finals run. Give it up, man.

[Joselo16]

I know we are in a win championship mode but do we really rather play a veteran guy with no potential, out of position, who does nothing on the court to help the team win, as opposed to a kid who has some room for improvement. They are both going to hurt the team why not go one of the "kids," who has some potential no matter how little it may be!? Scal played great last year, but has regressed a lot this year, and IQ alone is not enough to warrant court time over Giddens or Walker, who the jury is still out on!

[armageddon]

I truely have no idea if Giddens can play or not, but I'd like to at least see if he can. He has a very unorthodox look to him when he plays so it may give the perception that he isn't a good player. It also looks like the game moves too fast for him which may be the issue. The only thing I've seen so far is he can rebound, and we need that.

[Prophet_C]

R2G, you do realize pretty much all NBA players hit most of their shots in warmups? Hell, whenever I go to games, Scal is even lighting it up in the shoot-a-rounds.

I'd rather Walker get the burn over Giddens. I just don't see it with him.

[return2glory]

R2G, you do realize pretty much all NBA players hit most of their shots in warmups? Hell, whenever I go to games, Scal is even lighting it up in the shoot-a-rounds.

I'd rather Walker get the burn over Giddens. I just don't see it with him.

Scal made about 4 of 12 when he was shooting out there.