Ray's expiring contract

[BakersDozen]

maybe im crazy but i think Rajons best year shooting the ball (not talking layups) was the year we won the title. it seemed he had a fairly consistent mid range jumpshot that year. I dont want to just trade Ray for measly bits and pieces. if we could get Igoudala and Kapono i think thats a deal id have to do.

[Hemingway]

I tried a while ago to make a post on the general board about the possibility of a deal where we trade Ray to a team that would buy him out and send him back. It makes sense if a team wants to get rid of someone and Ray takes a cheap buy out. As you can guess, the post got nothing but hate. I really would be interested to see a list of guys we could feasibly get in a deal like that though.

[celticfan42487]

Sure, make any posts that results in this.

We trade you nothing and get a great young player.

Ray should not be allowed to be bought out and returned, that's just corruption. I hate the thought it can happen. There is a rule now to deter it but not prevent it. I forget it but it's something like a player traded by a team can't play for that team the next 3 months. It should be for the remaining of that season at least.

Igoudala I think is a player that you would accept that trade though, merely because he can cover anyone. Has amazing handles. And once again he is just so fast and strong he will do great defending anyone.

Cfan... I agree, we are a perimeter shooting team and I hate it too. I accept it because we're old and talented so we're not going to take the team's body. And it's half why I love TA because he does attack consistently to balance out our soft offense. But with Iggy... I'm willing to say a team that aggressive and NO weakness defensively... I'll take my bets on that team.

Ray is our only red carpet on defense, even though KG has been slowed down. Iggy... Iggy would take the beating against the stars for our team and perserve the older stars (Pierce, KG).

[chakdaddy]

Ray for Gerald Wallace+change is the only trade I'd be interested in. Wallace is a beast.

You'd be willing to take on 10 million dollars worth of change? It would have to be pretty bad cap baggage we'd accept, since getting rid of it would be Charlotte's only return for dumping their best player.

[chakdaddy]

Washington will probably try to unload Arenas before Butler,
because Butler is actually a good value.

Washington will move their expirings before Butler,
so Mike Miller will also go before Butler.

But our premise is that they're dumping salary; so if that's the case, they wouldn't trade their expirings.

Jamison/Butler and Jackson/Wallace or Wallace/Chandler are all that make any sense, if those teams are completely trying to dump salary (a complete 180 in strategy for Washington, if that were the case. They just traded a lotto pick for vets.)

We have to remember, as valuable as Ray is to us, to other team's he's just an expiring contract the same as Raef Lafrentz or Theo Ratliff. Philly's not going to give away Iguodala just to get someone to take Dalembert.

If a team really wants to dump the salary of a max salary guy who is similar value to Ray, it would be worthwhile for us; it's just a really unlikely scenario. The realistic guys we could get are Arenas, Brand, etc, but they don't help us.

[SichtingLives]

I would snatch up Iggy in a heartbeat for Ray.

[GreenMachine]

Iguodala+Dalambert
$23,560,000
For
Allen, Scallabrine
$23,180,000

You can than trade Dalaber to lets say Sacramento for Nocioni+Thomas or any other trade in summer with Dalambert expiring contract next summer.

If Dalambert is movable this summer... why exactly would the 6ers make this trade? Just to save on lux tax this season? I don't think so.

[chakdaddy]

maybe im crazy but i think Rajons best year shooting the ball (not talking layups) was the year we won the title. it seemed he had a fairly consistent mid range jumpshot that year. I dont want to just trade Ray for measly bits and pieces. if we could get Igoudala and Kapono i think thats a deal id have to do.

TA is a much worse shooter than Rajon, apart from FTs.

I think we saw the same thing from Rajon in 2008 and Big Baby in 2009 - they really practiced and got dialed in from one spot, that 15 footer from the corner. Both times it only came into focus in the postseason, and both times it was gone again after the summer. (I think this is the biggest down side of Davis's injury - it will take that much more time for him to find his jumpshot.)

Rondo isn't really dialed in on that spot before, but on the whole, I think he's about the best he's ever been, knocking down the occasional pull-up. Still needs considerable work.

[campybatman]

Ugh, I don't want any part of a deal that would include Iguodala and Dalembert who are both grossly overpaid.

Interesting... But Philadelphia doesn't really have anyone worthwhile who's actually available. If I'm Ainge, I look to Washington, Chicago or Golden State as possible trade partners.

This source said the Rockets have made it clear they will not -- in any way -- consider trading McGrady to the Sixers for power forward Elton Brand ($14-15 million this year, 3 years left after this one) and center Samuel Dalembert ($12 million, one year left after this one). According to this source, the Sixers are trying very hard to unload Dalembert (not a surprise) and Brand (not a huge surprise, either).

The problem is not many NBA teams are willing to take on money right now. This source named only three NBA teams possibly willing (Houston, Dallas, and Cleveland).

The problem with the Sixers making a deal involving Iguodala and young talent is that they'd be getting rid of some good young guys and remain with Brand and Dalembert, which is sort of the opposite of the point of making such a trade.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep ... dala_.html

[Hemingway]

Bonsia,

Chicago is defiantly an interesting partner. I havent watched them closly but Deng and Hinrich have always interested me. I wounder if we could get them for Ray now (not that I would do this deal) and if we could possibly get them in the summer.

[Captain_Caveman]

I was a huge Trade Ray advocate this offseason based on us getting less than half of his contract value from him this year, but you can't do it now.

Not enough time to integrate the new parts on a Championship level, and with Rondo now extended, it could have serious lux tax implications if we don't get back some cap relief in the deal.

I mean, I'd do Caron and expirings for Ray, I guess... but that's pretty much the level we are looking at here. Most of these deals are not realistic at all, in terms of contracts, talent or chemistry.

And Hinrich, or Deng?

Jesus Christ.

[cfan79]

If I were Chicago I'd look into trading for a big expiring contract. They might have the best chance at getting Dwade and possibly Bosh it they did so.

[campybatman]

I think Boris Diaw is the best "safe pick" acquisition for Ray. He'll make good insurance behind Pierce and Ray with losing Ray. His defense and versatility makes him highly attractive to a team orientated team such as Boston. His $9M-a-year salary is steep but he's twenty-seven.

Others I like and see as good value players in a deal involving Ray include Shane Battier and Caron Butler, or lesser value players like Steve Blake and Dahntay Jones. Whether or not any of these players are available is a different story.