OT-David West may be on the block.

[basketballwacko2]

I saw a wiretap story today about David West of New Orleans they are looking to cut some salary. I'd like to get the guy he has a very favorable contract at this point. It's one of those declining deals, $9 million this year, $8.3 next year, and $7.5 in 2010-11. The last year is and ETO and I'd bet he'll exercise it. I don't really see a way to get him here unless it's some kind of 3 team deal and it makes my head hurt to do those.

So any ideas? Will the Hornets trade him?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... move_west/

[Miller4ever]

I trust Larry will try and put something out there, but we don't have much we can offer. With the ETO, he'll be just like one of our 2011 expirings. As nice as he would be, he's a pretty unattainable all-star talent.

[OnFire]

I saw a wiretap story today about David West of New Orleans they are looking to cut some salary. I'd like to get the guy he has a very favorable contract at this point. It's one of those declining deals, $9 million this year, $8.3 next year, and $7.5 in 2010-11. The last year is and ETO and I'd bet he'll exercise it. I don't really see a way to get him here unless it's some kind of 3 team deal and it makes my head hurt to do those.

So any ideas? Will the Hornets trade him?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... move_west/

The possibility of this is really
exciting but the probability of
it is even more salivating.

Tried to come up with a scenario
how we can get DWest in a 3-way
involving us, NO, and CLE.

It goes:

IND Trades: Troy Murphy
IND Gets: David West

CLE Trades: Zydrunas Ilgauskas
CLE Gets: Troy Murphy

NO Trades: David West + Hilton Armstrong (filler)
NO Gets: Zydrunas Ilgauskas + CLE 1st Round Pick
+ IND 2nd Round Pick (or conditional future 1st)

For IND:
We get a great, mobile post
presence to complement Danger
who also crashes the boards like
TMurph, but with more decent D.

For CLE:
They've been rumored to like
Murphy to stretch the floor
some more for LBJ and Shaq.

This makes it happen.

For NO:
Based on a premise of cutting
costs, they do just that with
Ilgauskas's expiring contract
and also get a couple draft picks.

Here's the link to the
Trade Checker:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5356912

Note:
Based on research of game logs,
Hilton Armstrong doesn't seem to
figure much in NO's plans and is
added to the deal as a salary filler.

Between variations that he's included
to go to IND or CLE shouldn't matter
much as he also is on an expiring
contract.

Also, I think the writing's on the
wall here for NO regarding the
CP3 era. If they do choose to deal
DWest for tax purposes, it means
they'll be going on reboot soon
enough and deal CP3 by next
season, too.

That's my take.

Your thoughts.

[basketballwacko2]

I think the Hornets are wanting to cut some salary this season and get below the Tax Threashold which I think is $69.9 million. So the Hornets are at $73.16 so they need to save about $3.3 million minimum. Get them that savings and they might bite. I'm thinking send Songlaia or Mo Pete to the Cavs for their ungaranteed contracts. Williams, Jackson, Karl and Green are all non garanteed If you send out Songlaia to Cavs and take back Jackson and Williams and then send Ike Diogu to the Pacers it might just work. The Hornets cut Jackson and Williams and save about $1.5 million, they save $850k on Ike and save about $2.1 on Ilgauskas ($11.5 mil) for West and Mo Pete ($13.6 mil). That saves them about $4.4 million and if you stucture it right you can give them the cash to buy out Ilgauskas. We would be buying out Ike no room on the roster and he's out injured anyway.

[8305]

If the Pacers are forutnate enough to make the deal with Cleveland they should hold the expiring contract. Without Murphy both Hibbert and Hansbrough would have to play more minutes. That would probably cost a few wins but accelerate the young guys development. Losing Murphy's salary would also provide some flexibility under the luxury tax next season.

As to West, I think much of his success is due to playing with Chris Paul. Needless to say there is no Chris Paul on our roster. I also think that in a couple of years Hansbrough may be as good as West anyway.

[basketballwacko2]

Good point about West and Paul, Paul is one of those PGs that makes his team mates better so without him West may not be a good as he seems. That's said I don't see a 3 way trade I'm thinking the Cavs would rather have West than Murphy, so they'd just cut us out. Besides the Hornets are wanting to get this years payroll under the Tax. They need to cut about $3.3 million, if they can do that they'd save about $6.6 milion and get the tax rebate. For a team with real money issues that significant. I don't think there is a team that can eat Wests contract without sending something back, so it's gonna be tough to do. I'm thinking OKC and Matt Harpring might be involved.

Unfortunately I don't see us getting West.

[Scoot McGroot]

If the Cav's could get David West instead of Troy Murphy, they'd do it in a second.

David West is a great PF on a very good contract in this league. We simply don't have the value unless we're moving Hibbert or Granger, and even then, we don't have the expiring contract or ability to help New Orleans clear salary now.


Keep in mind, the only reason New Orleans might move West is to get under the Luxury Tax now, and in the future. However, that's an awful lot of talent to move to save a few million.

[PR07]

Yeah, West makes a lot of sense, we just don't have the assets NO wants.

[Gremz]

I'd say OKC would follow West with great interest. They have the space and assets available to make a push for west. If it's simply a case of getting below the Luxury Tax line, they would be my best bet. Harpring alone is a very good bargaining chip. They also have two first rounders and a couple of 2nd in this draft alone.

If they manage to get something done, then that is how you work a rebuild ladies and gents.

I can't think of much else looks good for the Hornets in a West type deal. Maybe something with the Clippers involving Camby?

EDIT: Not sure about OKC's space, Shamsports isn't updated, perhaps they don't have the excess few million to help out.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd say OKC would follow West with great interest. They have the space and assets available to make a push for west. If it's simply a case of getting below the Luxury Tax line, they would be my best bet. Harpring alone is a very good bargaining chip. They also have two first rounders and a couple of 2nd in this draft alone.

If they manage to get something done, then that is how you work a rebuild ladies and gents.

I can't think of much else looks good for the Hornets in a West type deal. Maybe something with the Clippers involving Camby?

EDIT: Not sure about OKC's space, Shamsports isn't updated, perhaps they don't have the excess few million to help out.

Nobody can eat the whole contract one deal with OKC is something like Harpring and Mullens for West. Memphis might be able to do a deal for West based around Steven Hunter and filler. Or they might do a 3 team trade with Memphis and the Cavs where Songaila goes to Memphis for Hunter and West snd Oakafor go to the Cavs for Shaq and #1 pick.

If I was the Hornets I'd rather try to deal Songaila and Hilton Armstrong. If they do a deal and trade West I'm betting the Cavs will be the trade partner. They have those 4 nongaranteed contracts they could kick into a deal and then the Hornets could just cut those guys.

[Gremz]

Oh yeah, I didn't outright, rather I'm unsure as to whether or not they can take on a but more excess salary (Songaila etc) to help the Hornets get below the Luxury Tax line.

[basketballwacko2]

Oh yeah, I didn't outright, rather I'm unsure as to whether or not they can take on a but more excess salary (Songaila etc) to help the Hornets get below the Luxury Tax line.

The cap is $57.7 million so OKC is over that with Maynor and Harpring they are at about $58.3 million. Only 3 teams are below the cap NJ, and Portland have about $1 million and Memphis has about $3 million.

Like I said the Hornets need to cut about $3.3 million to get under the Tax level so I'm thinking a deal with the Grizz and Cavs is really possible.

Cavs trade

Shaq
Jackson (non garanteed)
Williams (non garanteed)
$3 million cash

Cavs get

Peja
Okafor

Hornets trade

Peja
Okafor
Songaila
#1 pick

Hornets get

Steven Huneter
Shaq
Marcus Williams (non garanteed)
Jawad Williams (non garanteed)
Darnell Jackson (non garanteed)

Memphis gets

Songaila
#1 pick New Orleans
$3 milion cash

Memphis trades

Steven Hunter
Marcus Williams

[basketballwacko2]

Hornents save about $5.5 million. They cut the 3 non garanteed contracts. And get to keep West.

Cavs get a shooter in Peja and a more durable banger in Okafor to make run in the 2nd half of the year. They also keep Big Z, who they can keep for his exp contract or go ahead and deal him to the Pacers for Murphy. But they wouldn't really need to if they have Peja.

Memphis gets paid to help make a deal they get and extra year contract with Songaila and get $3 million cash and a draft pick.

Hornets could get a couple of 2nd round draft picks one from Memphis and one from the Cavs to make the deal. Hornets with their money problems might perfer two 2nds to their #1 pick to avoid a garanteed contract.


Trade ID #5359336

[Scoot McGroot]

I can't see the Cavs moving Shaq and his contract for Okafor, and having to take on Peja. If LeBron leaves, those two are a contractual death sentence for that franchise.

[basketballwacko2]

I can't see the Cavs moving Shaq and his contract for Okafor, and having to take on Peja. If LeBron leaves, those two are a contractual death sentence for that franchise.

Well I'm hoping you're right Scooter, I'm hoping they want the Murphy deal, Z. and #1 plus $3 million would be better for us. As much as I like Murphy we should move him and buy out Z. for the future of our team.

[Scoot McGroot]

They'd probably want Murphy's shorter deal rather than Okafor's deal.

Either way, they've got plenty of bruisers at the PF/C spot, and they're really just looking for a "stretch" PF in the category of Murphy, David West, Rashard Lewis type players. Obviously, Murphy is probably available, there are conflicting reports about West, and Orlando isn't looking to move Lewis.

[basketballwacko2]

I like Murphy and would rather not see him go but the economics of it is too hard to ignore.

Right now I thing our biggest problem other than the many injuries is the lack of a quality PG. I'd love to see TJ go some place else, but just don't see a trade unless we are willing to take a bad contract, like Calderon or Udrih, I don't want Calderon even if they give us a #1 pick with him. That contract is too long and big and he's too injury prone. Udrih has a long deal too but it's not as pricey, and Udrih is playing a lot better this season. Fact is I'd give TJ away for an old Chuck Person Jersey or one of those foam cheese head hats.

[Dunthreevy]

I like Murphy and would rather not see him go but the economics of it is too hard to ignore.

Right now I thing our biggest problem other than the many injuries is the lack of a quality PG. I'd love to see TJ go some place else, but just don't see a trade unless we are willing to take a bad contract, like Calderon or Udrih, I don't want Calderon even if they give us a #1 pick with him. That contract is too long and big and he's too injury prone. Udrih has a long deal too but it's not as pricey, and Udrih is playing a lot better this season. Fact is I'd give TJ away for an old Chuck Person Jersey or one of those foam cheese head hats.

HookShotHibbert has a Chuck Person retro jersey but I doubt he would trade it to you for TJ Ford. He'd likely have less use for him around their house than the Pacers do.

[RAW]

Fact is I'd give TJ away for an old Chuck Person Jersey or one of those foam cheese head hats.

I'll do you one better and say that I'd give TJ away for a Fred Hoiberg jersey and an autographed mini-basketball signed by Mark Pope and Zan Tabak.

[Miller4ever]

I'd give TJ for chips. Then you could eat 'em. BTW, new guy, welcome.