Flynn for Martin

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 4:49 pm

our team needs a go-to guy and Martin seems like the best available option by far to me considering age, salary, and his top notch long range game. He isn't going to return until February so it's actually good timing as it won't mess our record for a good draft pick, yet we get a couple months for him to develop chemistry going into next season. Also good for Sacramento timing wise as they get to plug Flynn in immediately and a form the exciting backcourt that should have been ours, Petrie = ****.

What we do is plug Sessions in as a starter and then maybe Rubio starts to look at us a little closer too for the future. All the best draft options don't really seem to interfere with Martin whether it's Aminu, Turner, Ebanks, Henry etc. All can form a deadly SG/SF combo. And whether our PG of the future is Sessions, Rubio, or Wall, they all fit like a glove w/ Kevin Martin.

Flynn/Blount or Flynn/Cardinal both work salary wise

john2jer · Post #2 » by **john2jer** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 4:55 pm

Martin doesn't play defense, doesn't give up the ball once he gets it, and always seems to be hurt.

Post #3 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:00 pm

Maybe. I'd probably want to wait until the offseason to get a better look at the landscape of things, of course the Pekovic situation has me questioning my previously strong opinion that waiting was the best path. I don't know.

Post #4 » by **Basti** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:03 pm

john2jer wrote:Martin doesn't play defense, doesn't give up the ball once he gets it, and always seems to be hurt.

this.

and to further add some points that make it less likely to happen:

1. we'd sacrifice our cap space for a player that doesn't fit THAT good as some other options

2. I don't see the Kings doing this deal (save for saving money). with Flynn and Evans in one backcourt together teams just could pack down in the lane and dare them to shoot. it would make Evans less valuable on court. right now with a 3 point shooting (point) guard together he has much more spacing to work with as he'd have with Flynn together.

Post #5 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:06 pm

basti wrote:

1. we'd sacrifice our cap space for a player that doesn't fit THAT good as some other options

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Who are the other options? I don't think we know for sure. Most of the guys we're looking at are probably flawed in some way, but at least Martin would add some outside shooting and the ability to get to the free throw line.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #6 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:15 pm

Martin is a premier scorer, better than any of our free agent options by a good margin. Also one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. He's not a lockdown defender or anything, but our offense needs more help than our defense. 28th in offense vs 24th in defense right now. Getting somebody that can convert will make our defense better by the other team starting more possessions from the end line rather than off of rebounds. Teams will pay if they pack the paint on Sacramento, Flynn can hit the 3, Hawes is dangerous when he steps out, and Casspi is a deadeye.

Post #7 » by **Basti** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:15 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
basti wrote:

1. we'd sacrifice our cap space for a player that doesn't fit THAT good as some other options

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Who are the other options? I don't think we know for sure. Most of the guys we're looking at are probably flawed in some way, but at least Martin would add some outside shooting and the ability to get to the free throw line.

IMO Rudy Gay would be just as good as Martin (if he wouldn't want a max contract) while being younger (at least I think so) and not as injury prone as Martin.

shrink · Post #8 » by **shrink** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:16 pm

I agree that Kevin Martin's offense would fit well with MIN, but I'm not impressed with any other aspect of the player. I'd rather have Flynn on the cheap for several years, plus the cap space.

horaceworthy · Post #9 » by **horaceworthy** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:19 pm

Rudy Gay isn't in Kevin Martin's league as a player, no matter the contract or how old he is.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #10 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:20 pm

Rudy Gay is a restricted free agent, the choices are way overpay or not get him

horaceworthy · Post #11 » by **horaceworthy** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:29 pm

Yeah, I don't know why Rudy Gay gets so much love around here. It doesn't seem like he'll be worth the hassle. There look to be plenty of athletic 3/4 type players in the draft. I'd rather wait and see what picks we get and go from there.

No_Pressure · Post #12 » by **No_Pressure** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:31 pm

Even way overpaid Gay'll be better better, than Martin playing about half of a season.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #13 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:41 pm

ok you win, I'll agree because you were able to turn Gay into a contraction and I admire that

john2jer · Post #14 » by **john2jer** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:55 pm

I'm not excited about Rudy Gay, either. I'm going back and forth between his improvement this year being either because he's 23 and finally gets it, improved teammates, or it's a contract year.

But I'd rather spend the money on a young core player in the offseason thus keeping a better draft pick. I don't think any FA signing is going to cause us to make a giant jump because the players who could cause that aren't going to sign here. So I think our eggs need to be in the draft basket, and then supplemented with some hash browns during the offseason with the cap space going to a signing or trade that compliments our draft pick.

Krapinsky · Post #15 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:56 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:ok you win, I'll agree because you were able to turn Gay into a contraction and I admire that

Post #16 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:04 pm

horaceworthy wrote:Yeah, I don't know why Rudy Gay gets so much love around here. It doesn't seem like he'll be worth the hassle. There look to be plenty of athletic 3/4 type players in the draft. I'd rather wait and see what picks we get and go from there.

I think it comes from Kahn implying that he's going after a FA this offseason and most posters realizing Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Amare is a pipedream. That leaves guys like Johnson/Gay, etc. as the best legitimate free agents. I agree that there are some better looking prospects in the draft but if you hold Kahn to his word, he doesn't seem to think that way. Plus, at some point you need to add someone with some experience. It's not like Rudy is terrible, either: 21/6/2/.471%fg/+19.1EFF and the Grizz are at .500 right now, too.

I'm not saying I'm in love with him but I can see the attraction.

slinky · Post #17 » by **slinky** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:06 pm

Kevin Martin + Al Jefferson = hesitancy to pass the ball

2 guys who are hesitant to pass the ball = not the offense Rambis seems to want to run

And I agree that our offense needs work, but your reasoning for a better offense leads to a better defense could also be used reversely, a better defense leads to a better offense. I guess it depends on if you like chicken or eggs.

Post #18 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:07 pm

There are some good looking prospects in the draft, but we probably need to add at least 2 wings.

Tirion · Post #19 » by **Tirion** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:20 pm

not to hijack the thread, but I heard that 76s are willing to give up Iggy in a Ti-Mac deal, i.e. essentially for expirings. if that's the case Kahn should be all over that. throw in Gomes and pick even.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #20 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 6:24 pm

Tirion wrote:not to hijack the thread, but I heard that 76s are willing to give up Iggy in a Ti-Mac deal, i.e. essentially for expirings. if that's the case Kahn should be all over that. throw in Gomes and pick even.

I'd probably do that too, maybe take on Kaponovic as well, but Iggy is kind of a suck go-to guy. Might be a nice mesh with Flynn though since he can dish a little bit.