Bret "The Hitman" Hart signs with the WWE?

[Tricky Ricky]

Just because you're a "wrestler", doesn't make your point right. Bret's side of the story has held up over time and he's never changed a detail about it. Vince and Shawn's stories have changed.

Hebner was told he'd be fired if he didn't ring the bell. Rick Rude told Bret something funny was going down. Taker, Foley and a bunch of the guys all threatened to quit after because of it. If you watch the documentary on Bret - Wrestling in Shadows - you hear Shawn in the locker room crying and telling Bret he didn't have a thing to do with it. And you see Vince being carried out of the locker room after Bret rocked his jaw with the uppercut. Yet once Shawn got off all the drugs and was born again, he began admitting that he MIGHT have had something to do with it.

Bret didn't screw Bret. Bret had an "agreement" with Vince to drop the belt the next night on a rematch angle with Shawn. He just didn't want to lose it in Canada because Shawn was, as usual, being a huge prick backstage and being a real **** disturber. And look at today; even now all the guys in the back hate him, HHH and Flair. Because they're all douchebags and they're all spoiled by the boss cause they're his favourites and cause Trips is in good with Steph.

I recently watched that, real good. They also have an a&e special on youtube. Pretty crazy stuff, man I wish they had a video camera in there the day bret slugged vince, that would have been awesome.

Anyone see what happened tonight. Vince was gonna announce it but then stopped, then hbk came out and talked about how only good things will happen, and vince smiled and announced the comeback of the hitman. Can't wait for next weeks raw.

Vince and HBK vs Taker and Bret at Mania? Anyway I wish HBK would just retire he can still have some great matches but his stolen childish antics make Raw unbearable for me.

[jeffhardyfan52]

i didnt mean to come of snobish and ***holeish
my thoughts on the bret hart matter come from reading many books and watching the wrestling with shadows doc as well as brets dvd
i have heard both sides and i side with shawn and vince
and i jsut see matters some one dif then most fans due working some matchs,
the perspective dose chance alot once you are on the other side, but yes i was being to snobish sorry about that

[Celtsfan1980]

i didnt mean to come of snobish and ***holeish
my thoughts on the bret hart matter come from reading many books and watching the wrestling with shadows doc as well as brets dvd
i have heard both sides and i side with shawn and vince
and i jsut see matters some one dif then most fans due working some matchs,
the perspective dose chance alot once you are on the other side, but yes i was being to snobish sorry about that

After being a loyal employee for over a decade, you don't think Bret should have a right to dictate how his last match goes? I love Shawn as a wrestler, but he even to this day doesn't seem likeable as a person.

[sh00n]

After being a loyal employee for over a decade, you don't think Bret should have a right to dictate how his last match goes? I love Shawn as a wrestler, but he even to this day doesn't seem likeable as a person.

Not to mention he would've dropped the belt the next damn night.

[Brandon-Clyde]

My problem with Bret at the time was that shortly prior to Bret deciding to leave the WWE he had signed a longterm deal which went past his retirement. Vince then started to implement the attitude era which Bret did not like and WCW came along offering Bret more money. Bret then asked for his release which Vince granted reluctantly. This then was the time that led up to Montreal.
The point is Bret was the one who asked to break the original deal. It should have been incumbent upon him to comply with any reasonable demand

[jeffhardyfan52]

brets side of the story is vince said he couldnt affored to pay bret the money for the 20 year contract
but you are right about bret not likeing the attitude era type of show



to me i dont belive bret should have the right to dictate how is last match went,
the unwritten code for wrestles is a huge deal to any wrestler
so to me he should of just gone with the loss even if it is to a guy hate.
Vinces request for him to drop the belt the last night he was undercontract is no where near unreasonabl i would expect it. no one in there right mind would let the companys world champion not be undercontract specialy if it is known he is jumping to WCW

[pduh01]

Usually right after that incident happen I try to stay away from the debate of the discussion, I remember there were lot of heated discussion in some wrestling forums about the incidents especially a flame war between HBK fans and Bret Hart fans. It was kinda entertaining if ask me at first though lol but anyways I am a fan of both but I do think it was wrong what Vince/HBK/Earl did to Bret you don't do that to your employees.

I am sure there are other ways to work things out even if a guy is going to another company or planning to go to that company got to act professional and what they did is unprofessional.

[Celtsfan1980]

brets side of the story is vince said he couldnt affored to pay bret the money for the 20 year contract
but you are right about bret not likeing the attitude era type of show



to me i dont belive bret should have the right to dictate how is last match went,
the unwritten code for wrestles is a huge deal to any wrestler
so to me he should of just gone with the loss even if it is to a guy hate.
Vinces request for him to drop the belt the last night he was undercontract is no where near unreasonabl i would expect it. no one in there right mind would let the companys world champion not be undercontract specialy if it is known he is jumping to WCW

Vince had no reason to believe Bret would have gone to another company with the Championship. Even then I don't have much of a problem with what Vince did. Shawn was the problem. When he wrestled Austin(and was in horrendous pain) he decided to wrestle him. When he was going to be wrestling Bret(and was experiencing little pain by his own words) he refused to wrestle him. There is an obvious difference between what he did in agreeing to wrestle Austin and refusing to wrestle Bret. In both instances he may have had very serious injuries. Even if it's true that Shawn had a real injury before Wrestlemania 13, he still doesn't explain why he treated Bret and Austin differently when the circumstances were similar.

Also, I noticed Shawn insulted Bret frequently in his book and he was pretty much the only wrestler he insulted. I haven't read Bret's book, but I'm hoping to read it this month and from reviews I've read Bret insults several wrestlers. Dynamite Kid and the Ultimate Warrior are two of them. Shawn has an agenda to bash Bret(and only Bret) in his book, while Bret doesn't have one from what I have read. Shawn still shows similar immaturity that he used to during the Klique days. Also, I remember an In Your House during late-1996 where Shawn goes out of his way to insult Bret as the announcer of a Bret-Sid match even though Sid was the one who had just attacked Lothario with a camera in the storylines. He doesn't mention this in his book and of course constantly paints himself as the victim. I love Shawn as a wrestler but I certainly agree with Bret a lot more as far as their rivalry goes.

[sh00n]

the unwritten code for wrestles is a huge deal to any wrestler
so to me he should of just gone with the loss even if it is to a guy hate.
Vinces request for him to drop the belt the last night he was undercontract is no where near unreasonabl i would expect it. no one in there right mind would let the companys world champion not be undercontract specialy if it is known he is jumping to WCW

So how do you explain Shawn refusing to do jobs to lose to title and somehow coming down with phantom injuries that were career ending? He faked injuries so he wouldn't have to drop the belt to anyone. Oh, and he forgot his smile - almost forgot that one.

Bret didn't refuse to do a job once until the Montreal screwjob. And with all he had done, I think he was entitled to hold the belt for one more ****ing night. In fact, him keeping the belt and then losing it on RAW would have been ten-fold more unexpected and exciting than Shawn winning it in Montreal; seeing as world title changes off of PPV were rare back then.

You may think that because you're a "wrestler" on an unknown circuit that you have more knowledge and insight than the rest of us, but I don't care who you wrestle for or where - you're not with TNA or the WWE, you weren't with the WWF when any of this happened, so you really don't have more say to it than we do. This is a forum to discuss wrestling. Your whole "I'm a wrestler and said rule is unwritten among us wrestlers" is condescending and really ****ing annoying.

[Stanford]

You conveniently left out this sentence:

to me i dont belive bret should have the right to dictate how is last match went,

He's just giving his opinion like everyone else on this board. Lay off the guy, geez.

[jeffhardyfan52]

how is it condcending?
im stateing my opinion on bret hart
and explaining something i have learned inmy short time in wrestling biz
and explaing it from that side

and no where do i excuese shawn for bing a prick and refuseing to do jobs
any wrestler who refuses to do a job needs a reality check since wining and loseing dosent matter for most of the time

[Walt Cronkite]

You guys should settle it in the cage.

[Stanford]

I've got jhf52

[jeffhardyfan52]

i got a ring someone give me a cage and im down
MAKEING MY WAY TO THE RING I STAND AND 6 FOOT 8 INCHES AND WEIGH IN AT 348 POOOUNDS
FROM RIP CITY OREGON
I..AM...THE TOWWWWWWEEEEEERR

[Celtics_Champs]

Any Vids of you wrestling?

[Celtsfan1980]

and no where do i excuese shawn for bing a prick and refuseing to do jobs
any wrestler who refuses to do a job needs a reality check since wining and loseing dosent matter for most of the time

You earlier had said you side with Shawn and Vince. I'd still like an explanation. Oddly enough Bret claims Shawn threw the first punch in that one fight they got in while Shawn claims Bret threw the first punch. Bret was injured at that point and considering how dishonest Shawn has shown himself to be, it's likely that Shawn is lying again. I hope they got along well backstage last night, but I'll continue to believe Bret didn't misbehave too much in their rivalry. Shawn is another story.

[jeffhardyfan52]

i side with shawn and vince on the screw job not on shawn being a douch bag the rest of the time. he was unprofissonel most of his career and was a baby
but in montral bret took the side of being a baby and unprofissional

[jeffhardyfan52]

Any Vids of you wrestling?

theres only one sadly
and its horrable qulity since my ex gf shot it form her seat but ill post it anyway
Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyab5yj4v7s

Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgDWrsZyFoc

Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aMXVa3hnsc

That was my second match ever infrom of fans.
It was for the NWWA Heveyweight Championship.
It was at the Buddy Rose tribute show.
The guy i wrestled was trained by Buddy Rose
so big match for me
Im the taller one with the baggy pants
and black and orange singlet
enjoy feel free to comment about it to

[Stanford]

Yeah let's get some footage of you doing the ring thing

[jeffhardyfan52]

well there it is
watch at your own risk it may be loud and again its horrible qulity

i have a match that i did in my ring as traning befor i ever made a debut if anyone wants to see it
its not that good lol
im still green as goose **** to qutoe one of the guys i worked with