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We need a trade thread 

Post#1 » by Juicy Juice » Sun Jan 3, 2010 5:46 am

Instead of constantly creating threads with trade ideas, just put them all in one thread.

I've got a few ideas here to help our team out.

Boston gets:
Andrew Iguodala
Jason Kapono

Philadelphia gets:
Ray Allen
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Post#2 » by hairybyrd » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:06 am

actually that's only one idea
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#3 » by Juicy Juice » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:08 am

Yeah, I was coming up with a couple more, but I didn't post them lol. My bad.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#4 » by greenbeans » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:27 am

I wonder if Danny has even brought up the idea of a trade/buyout/re-sign with Ray Allen's agent, because if Ray's open to a month vacation that could open up a LOT of possibilities.
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Post#5 » by Juicy Juice » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:35 am

greenbeans wrote:I wonder if Danny has even brought up the idea of a trade/buyout/re-sign with Ray Allen's agent, because if Ray's open to a month vacation that could open up a LOT of possibilities.


I'm sure Ray would be open to helping the team out.
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Post#6 » by return2glory » Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:53 am

No we don't. We have a strong 10 man rotation when we are healthy, maybe the best in the league. Pierce, Rondo, KG, Ray, Perkins, Davis, Wallace, TA, Daniels, and House.
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Post#7 » by SichtingLives » Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:29 am

return2glory wrote:No we don't. We have a strong 10 man rotation when we are healthy, maybe the best in the league. Pierce, Rondo, KG, Ray, Perkins, Davis, Wallace, TA, Daniels, and House.


That's the problem. I'm fully comfortable with our team at 100%, but I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect them to be 100% when we need them to be. If you do consider this the last year of contention for this core, it may make sense to add the reinforcement of another (or two) impact player in case of general injury concern. I think we have better personnel to overcome injuries this year than last (which also depends on who it is, of course), but I would hate to go through a repeat of last year just because one guy goes down and we don't have reasonable enough production behind him.

I've said I like Igoudala but have no idea the plausibility of getting him. That's not really the point though, I don't know what Danny is thinking but I'd imagine he's very open to the idea of further strengthening the roster.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#8 » by campybatman » Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:42 am

Juicy Juice wrote:Instead of constantly creating threads with trade ideas, just put them all in one thread.



But that's essentially what you're doing... You'd created two recent threads promoting your trade ideas which both happen to involve trading Ray Allen. You could've just as easily posted this in your initial thread and retitled it.
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Post#9 » by Jammer » Sun Jan 3, 2010 12:29 pm

Why don't you add your support to the the thread that already proposed your "idea,"
since it was only a few days ago.

Plus, separating the trade threads allows each player to be discussed on its own merits.
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Post#10 » by TheOGJabroni » Sun Jan 3, 2010 7:39 pm

If Ray were okay with accepting a trade with a buyout from the other team, that would be excellent. Especially if we were to get someone like Iguodala in return. Sign Ray to a minimum deal for the rest of the season, then a contract in the MLE range for as many years as he wishes to play basketball. We wouldn't need to sign Daniels so he won't eat up any of our MLE.

Kendrick Perkins / Rasheed Wallace
Kevin Garnett / Glen Davis
Andre Iguodala / Ray Allen / Bill Walker
Paul Pierce / Ray Allen
Rondo

That team would still be under contract. Sign house to the veteran minimum hopefully. Late 1st rounder. With a little more depth at guard positions, that would be a damn good team.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#11 » by canman1971 » Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:09 pm

Guys, why would anyone trade for Ray and buy him out? He is still a really good NBA player. I really see no way Ainge even considers trading Ray and messing with the team chemistry. Also, he is the only one of the "Big 3 (4) who is not or has not been injured this season.
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Post#12 » by TheOGJabroni » Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:42 pm

canman1971 wrote:Guys, why would anyone trade for Ray and buy him out? He is still a really good NBA player. I really see no way Ainge even considers trading Ray and messing with the team chemistry. Also, he is the only one of the "Big 3 (4) who is not or has not been injured this season.

He is a good player, but we know there are teams that just plan to tank and hope for the 2010 FA. I don't know if the 76ers are one of those teams, but if they (or a team similar to what I mentioned above) can unload a big contract, they might.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#13 » by irie » Sun Jan 3, 2010 9:03 pm

I don't get these trade ideas I'm seeing on here. People seem to think that every GM in the league is a huge Celtics fan. They're all so one-sided and don't consider the other team's interests / desires at all. Just because a team isn't a championship contender doesn't mean they want to just dump all their talent and make the good teams that much better. They want to make some money too and trading away their only good players AND buying out the players they get in return makes no sense at all. How easily people forget 3 years ago... would you have traded Al Jefferson for a decent player and be ok with just buying him out so the team we traded Jefferson to got even better while we get nothing? No... so I don't get why these trade ideas are all so one-sided.
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Post#14 » by Hemingway » Sun Jan 3, 2010 11:35 pm

It is not extremely likely but there definatly could be situations where we trade ray and get him back from my understanding of the rules (he would have to wait out 30 days, thats what it is still right?)

Its not a matter of talent at that point, its a matter of a team getting out of a contract. Lets say there is a team with a big long contract they want to move, lets say Brand in Philly. If they through in another asset or if we really wanted him they would certainly cut Ray if that was they way to get rid of someone they didn't want.

The real question is, who is out there that their own team would pay a little to get rid of them that we also want?
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Post#15 » by sully00 » Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:58 am

LanFill wrote:I don't get these trade ideas I'm seeing on here. People seem to think that every GM in the league is a huge Celtics fan. They're all so one-sided and don't consider the other team's interests / desires at all. Just because a team isn't a championship contender doesn't mean they want to just dump all their talent and make the good teams that much better. They want to make some money too and trading away their only good players AND buying out the players they get in return makes no sense at all. How easily people forget 3 years ago... would you have traded Al Jefferson for a decent player and be ok with just buying him out so the team we traded Jefferson to got even better while we get nothing? No... so I don't get why these trade ideas are all so one-sided.


Because you are missing the financial angle. While some of the deals you will see proposed are completely homer ideas. There is a certain class of player that is a huge problem for teams. Guys who are in their late 20's with 3 or 4 years left on their deal making big money and not really being that level of player. For years you could always find a taker for these guys but now that kind of money is gone from the NBA. Not only are teams trying to get under the cap more importantly owners are looking at non playoff rosters that are now slated to be over the lux tax of 65 mil.

The Sixers are the classic example of this situation. They have 3 guys making a ton of money who can't play with each other, nobody wants two of these guys and their contracts. So the best thing for the Sixers to do even though they don't want to is find a team with a huge expiring contract that would take Igoudala and Dalembert. This would not only get them below the lux tax but get them 9-12 mil under the cap.

That said not everyone is Ray Allen and can be an allstar caliber player with half the touches ask Richard Jefferson.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#16 » by vct33 » Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:43 pm

I absolutely HATE combined trade threads. I like it much better the way it is on the Celtics board. I won't even go on the trade thread on the Cavs board because it's combined.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#17 » by sully00 » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:51 pm

Well I guess it depends on what you are talking about. Rumored trades that come from something that passes as a credible source, and that isn't even saying much, certainly deserves its own thread.

Trade ideas that are cooked up in the head of posters based on the mention of a player in another trade scenario really doesn't. Because the Knicks talked to the Rockets about T-Mac doesn't mean we should have a Ray Allen for T-Mac thread.

I actually think a "we should trade Ray Allen and/or other expirings for..." thread would be a good idea instead of having the same conversation again and again. We can skip the 3 pages of arguing over whether or not Ray should be traded at all. Granted without that discussion it probably wouldn't be much of a thread.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#18 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:28 am

What would people think of a Ray Allen for Luol Deng/Kirk Hinrich swap?

If Chicago is looking to clear cap space, it definitely is not a bad idea IMO. Luol isn't a great fit with Derrick Rose since he is not a very good outside shooter and Kirk Hinrich is a PG. Both have several years left on their contract and will take up a nice chunk of money that could be used to offer a max contract free agent in the offseason.

Perkins / Wallace
Garnett / Davis
Deng / Pierce
Pierce / Daniels / Hinrich
Rondo / Hinrich

Our starting lineup looks considerably younger and I think we have just as good of a chance at a championship this year with these changes as well. We are more athletic and more dynamic with the ability to go big or play small ball.
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Re: We need a trade thread 

Post#19 » by theman » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:34 pm

I would much rather do a small deal and keep the big three together for one more run than a whole sale change.

I propose Tony Allen, Scal and House for Hinrich.

Hinrich would back up both guard spots.

Marquis (when back) backs up SG/SF

Rasheed backs up PF/C

Hinrich is much better at running the point than either House or Daniels and shoots nearly as well as House with much better defense and ball handling.
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Post#20 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 6, 2010 4:49 pm

Boston trades Scalabrine and Eddie House to Portland for Andre Miller. Portland players again in the 2010 free agency.

Celtics 2nd unit would be:

A Miller, T Allen, M Daniels, G Davis, R Wallace

Deep Reserves:

S Williams, L Hudson, B Walker, JR Giddens

One roster spot available for buyout pickup. (Swingman that can shoot.)

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