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Re: A few questions for you all... and a thanks! 

Post#21 » by C.lupus » Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:16 pm

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Post#22 » by skorff26 » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:34 pm

Danimals wrote:Thanks for the responses guys. I like getting a feel for the direction and the destination you all see for our team. I have a couple more questions...

1. I really like Turner and I know he would be a great fit in our offense next to Love and Brewer. Do you see him as a player who could elevate the games of Jefferson and Flynn? What about when Rubio gets here? Can Turner be effective enough shooting the three to help our spacing?

2. Do you think we should consider how guys will fit with Flynn or Rubio as we go forward? They both seem to be ball dominant. Does that mean we should look for guys with great ability to play off the ball? Specifically guys who can shoot? I've heard Johnson plays well off the ball, is that true? Is he a better fit than Turner then?

3. Are questions of fit irrelavent at this point? Should we always go after the better player and then adjust to them? Should us running elements of the triangle have any effect on our picks or FAs?

Now a couple comments of my own.

I'd like to see us keep both Sessions and Gomes. Then draft two players this year, one wing and one big. I'd like to bring Pekovic over as cheaply as possible on a 3 year deal. This all leaves us with some cap space. I'd like to make a couple value signings and trade the rest for 2011 expirings. I'd like to see a lineup something like this next year:
Flynn/Sessions
(Turner or Johnson)/Ellington/(FA)
Brewer/Gomes/(FA)
Love/(2nd pick)/(FA)
Jefferson/Pekovic/Hollins

Some of the lesser FAs I'd be interested on the cheap are: J.Childress, T.Thomas, L.Kleiza, A.Morrow, K.Azubuike, C.Hayes, C.Landry, C.Smith, J.Alexander, H.Warrick, J.J.Redick, L.Amundson, T.Outlaw, R.Brewer, and K.Korver- all only on short value based contracts, like Gomes and Sessions.

I just think there are so many positive possibilities going forward. As bad as we are now, I'm very excited to be a Wolves fan.

1. I think Turner is a guy that could elevate the player of anyone he's on the court with including Flynn and Jefferson, and I think he'd really help Rubio as well. As for his 3 pnt shooting, I think it would be effective enough, but I'm not completely sold yet.

2. First off, I think Turner would be a better fit and is a better prospect then Johnson. As for finding players who fit, I think right now we still draft the BPA, and if need be make a few trades to fine-tune our team.
An example, maybe use our cap space and trade it for Nazr + G. Henderson; I haven't seen Henderson play too much and I don't think he's been too impressive this year, but he's a guy I wanted last draft, he has outside shooting to space the floor and a pretty good defender as well if I remember right; there's an example, but Kahn could definitely make a trade or two to balance out our team if we draft the BPA

3. I think right now we draft BPA, if we get wall then we look to move flynn, if we get favors maybe we move Jefferson; or we could trade wall or favors for something like Turner + something (like the Mayo trade)

-Comments, I hope we move Gomes at some point for another first rounder, I think we can get a mid to late first rounder for Gomes, plus maybe another first from the cap space he creates; I think I'd hold onto Sessions since if we trade him then we'll have to draft/sign a backup PG and I'd rather just keep him.
-offseason idea: draft Turner (we won't get #1 or #2 for wall/favors since we never get lucky). have a trade arranged for July 1 that would be philly's pick #7 or so (Henry) + Dally for Utah's pick about #20 + Hollins. Draft Larry Sanders with the pick that we got from trading Gomes. And use the rest of our available cap space to get future assets + 2011 expirings (kind of like the carney deal)

Next Year
Flynn (32)/Sessions (16)/2nd rounder or vet
Henry (28)/Ellington (10)/Brewer (10)
Turner (32)/ Brewer (16)/2nd rounder or vet
Love (34)/Sanders (14)
Jefferson (32)/Dally (16)/2nd rounder or vet

Then going into the 2011 offseason, we'd have any future assets we acquired from our cap space, Rubio and Pekovic coming over, maybe Charlotte's first, and maybe a Minnesota first, plus we'd have cap space again to work with.

That's my idea, only thing I might change is flip Dally to another team (NOH maybe if they can trade Okafor for expirings; Dally for Peja + NOH 2011 1st maybe, saves NOH some money and get them a replacement at C) and then bring over Pekovic in 2010 instead of waiting until 2011.
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Re: A few questions for you all... and a thanks! 

Post#23 » by Narf » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:45 pm

I think that if we get Wall we look to move Sessions, not Flynn. We can run with Sessions/Flynn playing together for 15 minutes a game and sharing the point duties the rest of the time.
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Post#24 » by skorff26 » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:53 pm

Narf wrote:I think that if we get Wall we look to move Sessions, not Flynn. We can run with Sessions/Flynn playing together for 15 minutes a game and sharing the point duties the rest of the time.

First off, I assume you mean run with Wall/Flynn for 15 a game if we got Wall. I think we'd end up keeping Wall and one of Rubio or Flynn, I think we would end up choosing Rubio over Flynn and in that case we'd trade Flynn and keep Sessions next year (or bring in Don Nelson as coach and keep Rubio, Flynn, and Wall :D . Nelson would be in heaven with that lineup).
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Post#25 » by Narf » Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:56 pm

skorff26 wrote:
Narf wrote:I think that if we get Wall we look to move Sessions, not Flynn. We can run with Sessions/Flynn playing together for 15 minutes a game and sharing the point duties the rest of the time.

First off, I assume you mean run with Wall/Flynn for 15 a game if we got Wall. I think we'd end up keeping Wall and one of Rubio or Flynn, I think we would end up choosing Rubio over Flynn and in that case we'd trade Flynn and keep Sessions next year (or bring in Don Nelson as coach and keep Rubio, Flynn, and Wall :D . Nelson would be in heaven with that lineup).

Obviously Wall/Flynn. But why would you trade Flynn BEFORE Rubio comes over? Keep him until then, as his value should go up and he's the BACKUP plan just in case Rubio doesn't come over (or asks to be traded elsewhere).

Having Flynn is our leverage with Rubio. We want you here, and we want you to be our pointguard....but if you would rather play in Europe we have Flynn. Just let us know when you want to come to the NBA.
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Post#26 » by skorff26 » Wed Jan 6, 2010 9:02 pm

Narf wrote:
skorff26 wrote:
Narf wrote:I think that if we get Wall we look to move Sessions, not Flynn. We can run with Sessions/Flynn playing together for 15 minutes a game and sharing the point duties the rest of the time.

First off, I assume you mean run with Wall/Flynn for 15 a game if we got Wall. I think we'd end up keeping Wall and one of Rubio or Flynn, I think we would end up choosing Rubio over Flynn and in that case we'd trade Flynn and keep Sessions next year (or bring in Don Nelson as coach and keep Rubio, Flynn, and Wall :D . Nelson would be in heaven with that lineup).

Obviously Wall/Flynn. But why would you trade Flynn BEFORE Rubio comes over? Keep him until then, as his value should go up and he's the BACKUP plan just in case Rubio doesn't come over (or asks to be traded elsewhere).

Having Flynn is our leverage with Rubio. We want you here, and we want you to be our pointguard....but if you would rather play in Europe we have Flynn. Just let us know when you want to come to the NBA.

If we got Wall, then he could be the leverage against Rubio. The only reason I'd choose to keep Flynn is if Rubio does not want to come here because of Wall being here.
I think with Wall and Flynn both on the roster, Rubio would not come over since he'd think he might be the 3rd PG on the team.
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Post#27 » by Narf » Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:08 am

So your theory is we trade our current 3rd (if we get Wall, 4th) best player in the hopes that Rubio will sign with us in a year and a half....because Rubio might decide to stay in Europe for less money than he'll make in the NBA.

You keep the guy who's value will go up and has the potential to be a very good player (Flynn) and trade the guy you signed to be a backup (Sessions) who's value will not go up from this point on. And then in a year and a half, when Rubio does come over, you trade whoever you get the best value for in return.

Rubio has an NBA only opt out, so it's us for more money and more fame, or them for less money and less fame. If there is any chance Rubio WON'T come over, the last thing I am going to do is gut the team. I'll go with Flynn and Wall and tell Ricky we're keeping his seat warm, but we're not trading anyone until he's signed on the dotted line. And then we'll make a trade.
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Post#28 » by Slum_Dillinger » Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:16 am

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Post#29 » by skorff26 » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:02 am

Narf wrote:So your theory is we trade our current 3rd (if we get Wall, 4th) best player in the hopes that Rubio will sign with us in a year and a half....because Rubio might decide to stay in Europe for less money than he'll make in the NBA.

You keep the guy who's value will go up and has the potential to be a very good player (Flynn) and trade the guy you signed to be a backup (Sessions) who's value will not go up from this point on. And then in a year and a half, when Rubio does come over, you trade whoever you get the best value for in return.

Rubio has an NBA only opt out, so it's us for more money and more fame, or them for less money and less fame. If there is any chance Rubio WON'T come over, the last thing I am going to do is gut the team. I'll go with Flynn and Wall and tell Ricky we're keeping his seat warm, but we're not trading anyone until he's signed on the dotted line. And then we'll make a trade.

You want to trade when your players value is high, if we draft Wall, it will affect Flynn's numbers; at best they will stay the same. That means his value will decrease.
As for keeping Flynn since he's the 4th best player, we won't be giving him away for nothing; we'll likely get a player that will be the new 4th best player on the team and I'd rather have our 4th best player be someone from a position of need rather then our 2nd PG.
And if we would be able to move Flynn at the time of the draft since his value will be higher then it usually is, since who is the second best PG in the draft? Kalin Lucas? Sherron Collins? Flynn is a ton more valuable then either of them. Someone like Indiana (desperately need a PG) might be picking #4, and we'd be able to pick up Turner or Henry or someone else (I guarantee we could land a top 10 pick, and there's a chance we'd get a top 5 in return)... I'd rather have Wall/Love/Jefferson/Henry or Turner then Wall/Love/Jefferson/Flynn as my top 4 especially with the chance of Rubio coming over in a year and still having a very capable backup PG in Sessions.
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Post#30 » by Narf » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:24 am

skorff26 wrote:
Narf wrote:So your theory is we trade our current 3rd (if we get Wall, 4th) best player in the hopes that Rubio will sign with us in a year and a half....because Rubio might decide to stay in Europe for less money than he'll make in the NBA.

You keep the guy who's value will go up and has the potential to be a very good player (Flynn) and trade the guy you signed to be a backup (Sessions) who's value will not go up from this point on. And then in a year and a half, when Rubio does come over, you trade whoever you get the best value for in return.

Rubio has an NBA only opt out, so it's us for more money and more fame, or them for less money and less fame. If there is any chance Rubio WON'T come over, the last thing I am going to do is gut the team. I'll go with Flynn and Wall and tell Ricky we're keeping his seat warm, but we're not trading anyone until he's signed on the dotted line. And then we'll make a trade.

You want to trade when your players value is high, if we draft Wall, it will affect Flynn's numbers; at best they will stay the same. That means his value will decrease.
As for keeping Flynn since he's the 4th best player, we won't be giving him away for nothing; we'll likely get a player that will be the new 4th best player on the team and I'd rather have our 4th best player be someone from a position of need rather then our 2nd PG.
And if we would be able to move Flynn at the time of the draft since his value will be higher then it usually is, since who is the second best PG in the draft? Kalin Lucas? Sherron Collins? Flynn is a ton more valuable then either of them. Someone like Indiana (desperately need a PG) might be picking #4, and we'd be able to pick up Turner or Henry or someone else (I guarantee we could land a top 10 pick, and there's a chance we'd get a top 5 in return)... I'd rather have Wall/Love/Jefferson/Henry or Turner then Wall/Love/Jefferson/Flynn as my top 4 especially with the chance of Rubio coming over in a year and still having a very capable backup PG in Sessions.

So you disagree with my premise that Flynn's value will go up his sophomore year. Fair enough. I think that drafting Wall and playing along side of him will raise Flynn's value, not lower it. Especially since I expect Flynn to actually work hard and improve from year one to year two. I guess we'll disagree on that one.
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Post#31 » by skorff26 » Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:49 am

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skorff26 wrote:
Narf wrote:So your theory is we trade our current 3rd (if we get Wall, 4th) best player in the hopes that Rubio will sign with us in a year and a half....because Rubio might decide to stay in Europe for less money than he'll make in the NBA.

You keep the guy who's value will go up and has the potential to be a very good player (Flynn) and trade the guy you signed to be a backup (Sessions) who's value will not go up from this point on. And then in a year and a half, when Rubio does come over, you trade whoever you get the best value for in return.

Rubio has an NBA only opt out, so it's us for more money and more fame, or them for less money and less fame. If there is any chance Rubio WON'T come over, the last thing I am going to do is gut the team. I'll go with Flynn and Wall and tell Ricky we're keeping his seat warm, but we're not trading anyone until he's signed on the dotted line. And then we'll make a trade.

You want to trade when your players value is high, if we draft Wall, it will affect Flynn's numbers; at best they will stay the same. That means his value will decrease.
As for keeping Flynn since he's the 4th best player, we won't be giving him away for nothing; we'll likely get a player that will be the new 4th best player on the team and I'd rather have our 4th best player be someone from a position of need rather then our 2nd PG.
And if we would be able to move Flynn at the time of the draft since his value will be higher then it usually is, since who is the second best PG in the draft? Kalin Lucas? Sherron Collins? Flynn is a ton more valuable then either of them. Someone like Indiana (desperately need a PG) might be picking #4, and we'd be able to pick up Turner or Henry or someone else (I guarantee we could land a top 10 pick, and there's a chance we'd get a top 5 in return)... I'd rather have Wall/Love/Jefferson/Henry or Turner then Wall/Love/Jefferson/Flynn as my top 4 especially with the chance of Rubio coming over in a year and still having a very capable backup PG in Sessions.

So you disagree with my premise that Flynn's value will go up his sophomore year. Fair enough. I think that drafting Wall and playing along side of him will raise Flynn's value, not lower it. Especially since I expect Flynn to actually work hard and improve from year one to year two. I guess we'll disagree on that one.

Alright we can agree to disagree.

Also if we get Wall #1 overall, Flynn would be the best PG available and teams looking for a PG would likely trade their pick for Flynn unless they are really high on someone else.
So I guess the question is: If we got Wall #1 overall, how many of the other players in the draft would you trade Flynn for? I would for sure trade him for Favors, Turner, and Henry. I'd think really hard and probably end up trading him for Johnson, Aldrich, and Warren as well based on need and maybe Aminu depending on how he plays down the stretch. And I'd have to watch players such as Davis and Motiejunas and evaluate them a little bit more. So for me there's 6 other players that I probably would trade Flynn for if we got Wall from the 2010 draft, and maybe 2 or 3 that I'd have to think about. So I would move Flynn for a top 7-10 pick then, (if we didn't get Wall, I'd probably only move him for Favors, Turner, or Wall and maybe Aldrich, Henry, and Johnson).

If we got Wall, how many players would you move Flynn for?
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Post#32 » by Narf » Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:49 am

skorff26 wrote:Alright we can agree to disagree.

Also if we get Wall #1 overall, Flynn would be the best PG available and teams looking for a PG would likely trade their pick for Flynn unless they are really high on someone else.
So I guess the question is: If we got Wall #1 overall, how many of the other players in the draft would you trade Flynn for? I would for sure trade him for Favors, Turner, and Henry. I'd think really hard and probably end up trading him for Johnson, Aldrich, and Warren as well based on need and maybe Aminu depending on how he plays down the stretch. And I'd have to watch players such as Davis and Motiejunas and evaluate them a little bit more. So for me there's 6 other players that I probably would trade Flynn for if we got Wall from the 2010 draft, and maybe 2 or 3 that I'd have to think about. So I would move Flynn for a top 7-10 pick then, (if we didn't get Wall, I'd probably only move him for Favors, Turner, or Wall and maybe Aldrich, Henry, and Johnson).

If we got Wall, how many players would you move Flynn for?
There is an old Tibetan saying, a rookie in hand is worth 2 in the draft

You've got teams like Washington and Indiana who could very well trade for Flynn, if they are at the right spot. But I'm not sold on Xavier Henry yet, and I might not trade Flynn for him. Henry has hit 29 of 63 3 point attempts, which gives him his gaudy 46% from 3. But last year Henry only hit 50 of 154 3 pointers, or 32%. Where as a guy like Paul George is guaranteed to shoot 40% from 3 in the NBA, plays better defense, rebounds better, has more assists, and can be picked up mid-1st round.

Who's really the better prospect?

Turner is as close to a guarantee as you'll get in the draft, and Favors has superstar potential. But after that guys are basically 50/50 propositions. Is that #6 pick that you trade Flynn for Roy or Foye? James Harden or Brandon Jennings? Joe Alexander or Brook Lopez?

I really liked Foye before we drafted him, and he was not the guy I thought he was once he hit the NBA. And there are always players that look like they SHOULD excel in the NBA and then fall flat on their faces.

That said, I generally agree with you that if we can get the right player in the draft we should trade Flynn. I'm not even sure what pick we could get for Flynn. All I'm saying is that with Paul George waiting with our #16 pick we better be damn sure Xavier Henry is the guy we want to trade Flynn for.
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Re: A few questions for you all... and a thanks! 

Post#33 » by Worm Guts » Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:22 pm

I think you've got to trade Flynn if you get Wall. Flynn's not going to increase his value as a backup or 6 foot shooting guard, plus it puts him in an awkward situation. There's a better point guard on the team and a better point guard coming from Europe.
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Post#34 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:30 pm

you're not getting Wall you loser Wolves fans, so don't worry about it. We are, the Wizards.
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