Enough - Ray Allen is not being bought out.

[Hemingway]

I'd give at least a 2% chance to a Ray Allen trade.

[sully00]

I agree with the OP it would be ridiculous for a team to make a deal for Ray Allen and they pay him to go away.

I also think that the idea that there all these options that would be an uprgrade to the best shooter the league has probably ever seen is a little far fetched. We are trying to win a championship this season Ray Allen is the guy a team trying to win a title trades for not trades away.

Boston could trade Kevin Garnett for Lamarcus Aldridge or Greg Oden and might be better for it 3 or 4 years from now but it ain't doing **** right for them right now.

The only guys worth trading Ray for aren't going to be available.

[bruno sundov]

I would love for the celtics to trade ray allen. His legs get very tired come april. Making about impossible to get his shot off. Trade his ass now before he kills this team again come playoff time.

[TheOGJabroni]

I would love for the celtics to trade ray allen. His legs get very tired come april. Making about impossible to get his shot off. Trade his ass now before he kills this team again come playoff time.

Um, what? You do remember the Chicago Bulls series was in April right? He had one horrid game (game 1) and one game that was BS and fouled out of the game (game 5). Besides those two games, he respectively posted totals of 30, 18, 28, 51, and 23. He led the team in scoring in three games that series. Seems far from being very tired come April. He didn't play great in the Magic series, but I will credit the Magic defense for that, because it seemed mostly everyone struggled quite a bit in that series, not necessarily having to do with Ray being tired.

Having said that, I'm not opposed to trading Ray Allen in the right circumstances, but that reasoning seems ridiculous to me. He's not going to kill this team come playoff time. While he's not the player he once was, he can still light it up at any time.

[DumbyTheWizard]

He will get bought out if this is agreed upon before the trade and Ray is willing to sacrifice big money.

Of course Utah wont buy him out if we send him for Booz becuase Booz is an expiring himself who makes less money then Ray, But if Ray is willing to get bought out for 15 Mill or something then I could see Utah sending AK47 horrible contract and then buys Ray out, but thats a bad trade for us money wise...

[klemen4]

Ray contract is a big asset...I think BOS must trade him to get a future starter at pf/sg/sf position...if players such as Iguodala, Martin are available you got to do it...and with KG breaking down it is time to think about future and find player to add to a core of Rondo/Perkins/(G.Davis)...At earliest we will be a player for FA when KG and Wallace contract ends in 2012, but if possible we must add a young starter if we can got him in Ray Allen trade...Im sure Ainge will make the trade is a good player is possible

[Celts17Pride]

Ray contract is a big asset...I think BOS must trade him to get a future starter

The future starter is Ray Allen.

[bruno sundov]

min ppg fg-fga shooting% 3'spg 3% FT FT%
Ray Allen , BOS 13 40.3 17.9 5.7-14.5 .394 2.5-7.2 .340 4.1-4.3 .946

So this tells the story of ray Allen last year in the playoffs.

He shot .394% on his FG.

.340 on his 3pt fg

He only got to the line 4.3 times per game.

To score 18ppg per game he needed 14.5 shots a game to do it. And have the whole offense predicated on getting him open shots.


His best asset is his shooting and it greatly declines come april. Also In saying this he is just so streaky. He can shoot you right out of the playoffs. We have to learn from the past and move on from our old players as they start to decline. He is starting to decline. So I vote to trade him

[hiphop1]

I love Ray Allen but lets hope DA doesnt make the same mistake Red made and keep aging players beacuse of sentimental value we could very well get a great player with his contract and still sign him for the MLE next season.

[bruno sundov]

I love Ray Allen but lets hope DA doesnt make the same mistake Red made and keep aging players beacuse of sentimental value we could very well get a great player with his contract and still sign him for the MLE next season.

+1. Right on hiphop1.

[irie]

Thank you. There are so many absurd and totally biased trades on here. If we trade Ray Allen, we're not getting him back this season.

[thruthefire]

Neither of those guys were near Allen's level at that time. Payton had fallen off a lot more than Ray, who is still All Star caliber. McDyess was solid, but still a role player.

In 04-05, Payton was ~15 PER player, just like Allen has been this season. In 08-09, McDyess was a ~17 PER player. The notion that Allen was much better than those guys is rather ridiculous, as is the notion that Allen's still All-Star caliber.

[Banks2Pierce]

Neither of those guys were near Allen's level at that time. Payton had fallen off a lot more than Ray, who is still All Star caliber. McDyess was solid, but still a role player.

In 04-05, Payton was ~15 PER player, just like Allen has been this season. In 08-09, McDyess was a ~17 PER player. The notion that Allen was much better than those guys is rather ridiculous, as is the notion that Allen's still All-Star caliber.

Yea, PER is a good way to measure players...

Do you watch the Celtics?

[sully00]

min ppg fg-fga shooting% 3'spg 3% FT FT%
Ray Allen , BOS 13 40.3 17.9 5.7-14.5 .394 2.5-7.2 .340 4.1-4.3 .946

So this tells the story of ray Allen last year in the playoffs.

He shot .394% on his FG.

.340 on his 3pt fg

He only got to the line 4.3 times per game.

To score 18ppg per game he needed 14.5 shots a game to do it. And have the whole offense predicated on getting him open shots.


His best asset is his shooting and it greatly declines come april. Also In saying this he is just so streaky. He can shoot you right out of the playoffs. We have to learn from the past and move on from our old players as they start to decline. He is starting to decline. So I vote to trade him

It is one thing to twist stats but please use accurate ones. Were did you get those numbers? The Glen Beck show?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2009.html

Here are the numbers. Allen was 3rd in attempts behind Pierce and Rondo and 4th in FTAs. While he only shot 40% from the field half of his attempts were 3's at 35% giving him an eFG% of 48% higher than Pierce's eFG% of 47%. The only problem we had offensively from a point per shot perspective was Rondo who took 223 attemtps to score 236 points but he was put into a position to have to take a lot of shots as opposed to shots he wants to take and struggled to convert his FT's and didn't make many 3's.

Either way I don't see how Ray Allen was in the top 5 of our post season problems with the first 4 being No KG and the last being Mikki Moore.

[sully00]

I am sure Doc Rivers wants to trade away the guy who plays 75% of the team's mins and rocks a +/- net of +13.8.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910BOS.HTM

[thruthefire]

Neither of those guys were near Allen's level at that time. Payton had fallen off a lot more than Ray, who is still All Star caliber. McDyess was solid, but still a role player.

In 04-05, Payton was ~15 PER player, just like Allen has been this season. In 08-09, McDyess was a ~17 PER player. The notion that Allen was much better than those guys is rather ridiculous, as is the notion that Allen's still All-Star caliber.

Yea, PER is a good way to measure players...

Do you watch the Celtics?

Did you watch the Pistons last year?

[sully00]

Neither of those guys were near Allen's level at that time. Payton had fallen off a lot more than Ray, who is still All Star caliber. McDyess was solid, but still a role player.

In 04-05, Payton was ~15 PER player, just like Allen has been this season. In 08-09, McDyess was a ~17 PER player. The notion that Allen was much better than those guys is rather ridiculous, as is the notion that Allen's still All-Star caliber.

Are you for real? Raef LaFrentz had a 17 PER in 04-05 who the hell cares. Ray Allen is the exact same player we got 3 years ago he is the most consistent player we have. So his PER is 15 this week compared 17 last year 16 the year before. At the end of the season he will be putting up the exact same damn numbers he always does. Because he is Ray Allen.

If that isn't an All Star don't vote for him.