The problem with WWE today

[Dunthreevy]

He had me glued to the tv this past Monday with his attack on Orton. Extremely entertaining!

Exactly! That was the moment I went from 'he's good' to 'he's the best thing they've got'. I haven't been that excited watching Raw since Stone Cold. It was very impressive.

He seems like a great kid too. I saw an interview where he was talking about the road trips, when everyone else would go out partying and he and Punk would just stay at the hotel and watch as much old wrestling as they could find. That's awesome.

That's good to hear. He's extremely young too. I think he's only like 24 or 25 and he's already proving to be one of the most entertaining wrestlers that the WWE has.

[sh00n]

Kingston is a stud. But until Cripple H and HBK retire, none of the young guys will ever get a chance to blossom. They kill them off backstage if they don't like them and then that's it for them until they move to Smackdown or that POS ECW. If WWE was smart, they would be building everything around Jericho, Punk, Kofi, Swagger and Ziggler. Hart Dynasty is awesome too; such an awesome throwback and those kids can wrestle.

[Stanford]

I read somewhere that Sheamus is Triple H's workout partner.

Why is it spelled Sheamus btw?

[Stanford]

Also: No chair shots.

There's never any chair shots anymore. There was three per Raw in the additude era. I miss chair shots.

[mbucks22]

Cena was perfect on Raw last night. He stayed serious but didn't go overboard with it. I think he gets way too much flack though. The guy goes out there and does what he is supposed to do. You wanna be mad at someone, be upset with the ones who tell him what to do.

Turning him heel would work wonders. Don't make him the angry thug rapper again (though that was insanely entertaining). They could use the fans turning on him as a way to turn him heel.

[mbucks22]

Also: No chair shots.

There's never any chair shots anymore. There was three per Raw in the additude era. I miss chair shots.

They will be having the TLC PPV in a few weeks. It's bound to happen then.

[Mike Hunt]

I agree with the OP. These are my major issues with wrestling nowadays (posted most of these a while back but it can't hurt to double up):

-too many titles (OP)

-too many title changes (OP)

-Too little nicknames. All these new guys are starting with either their real names or pornstar names. Why not go back to cartoonie names like "Mankind", "the Undertaker", Demolition", etc.? I don't know who to pull for between Jack Swagger and Dirk Ziegler, they both sound like douchebags to me.

-too much exposure to the brand's stars. Your champion shouldn't fight every week. The thing that made Hulk Hogan special is that we rarely saw him in the ring outside of PPVs and if we did, it'd be in gimmicky fights (tag team/battle royal. It was a treat when we got to see him fight).

-very few fights ever end "fairly". It's always outside interference or some form of cheating that gives someone (especially heels) the victory. We all know it's fake, but back in the day, it was fun to try to use the transitive property to figure out who could "beat" who in a "fair" fight.

-The line between good and bad guys is too blurred. This is a tricky one because the blurring of these lines coincided with the rise in the popularity of wrestling in the late 90's (The Rock and Stone Cold being the leading two guys for this movement). But the blurring of these lines was only made possible by the fact that the lines were there to blur. Those lines have been long gone.

[Dunthreevy]

Cena was perfect on Raw last night. He stayed serious but didn't go overboard with it. I think he gets way too much flack though. The guy goes out there and does what he is supposed to do. You wanna be mad at someone, be upset with the ones who tell him what to do.

Turning him heel would work wonders. Don't make him the angry thug rapper again (though that was insanely entertaining). They could use the fans turning on him as a way to turn him heel.

I've been thinking that for a while now. He could basically pull what the Rock did when he used to get booed and the fans chanted "Die Rocky Die" (anyone remember that?) to basically say "you know what, screw making you fans happy anymore, you never appreciated me so now I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want to". I'd be a fan of that angle.

[jeffhardyfan52]

The reason i complain about wwe tna and others is because i want good wrestling, i will give credit to wwe when it dose good, and il rip it when its bad, i also look at it from the side of a wrestler and as a wrestler i dont ike the product they put out, many of the wrestlers cant work a match, at least on theraw side,
the whole wwe prodcut has been stale for years TNAs prdouct at times has been very good but then it goes in to some non logic bullcrap
they both have many issues they need to resolve but with the monday night war looking to maybe start again it will mean good thigns for you the fans and us the workers

[sh00n]

I've been thinking that for a while now. He could basically pull what the Rock did when he used to get booed and the fans chanted "Die Rocky Die" (anyone remember that?) to basically say "you know what, screw making you fans happy anymore, you never appreciated me so now I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want to". I'd be a fan of that angle.

The fans would just see it as that and that's why it would never happen, though. Taking something from the last era and trying to recycle now is weak, in my opinion. They need to build up something huge.

To put Cena over as a major heel, they'd have to make a huge heel faction come to life and have it culminate with a huge Elimination Tag Match and have Cena and a bunch of huge faces be on the other squad. Have the heel team squash the face team until only Cena and another face are left against the whole other team, and then Cena go outside to grab a chair, and turn on his team mate and smash it over his head. It DQ's Cena, someone from the heel team pins the guy, while Cena stands there doing the military salute to have it go off the air.

[jeffhardyfan52]

it wouldnt be that hard to turn cena in to a heel with there fans, they love him but they onlylove him because they are told to love him

[Dunthreevy]

I've been thinking that for a while now. He could basically pull what the Rock did when he used to get booed and the fans chanted "Die Rocky Die" (anyone remember that?) to basically say "you know what, screw making you fans happy anymore, you never appreciated me so now I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want to". I'd be a fan of that angle.

The fans would just see it as that and that's why it would never happen, though. Taking something from the last era and trying to recycle now is weak, in my opinion. They need to build up something huge.

To put Cena over as a major heel, they'd have to make a huge heel faction come to life and have it culminate with a huge Elimination Tag Match and have Cena and a bunch of huge faces be on the other squad. Have the heel team squash the face team until only Cena and another face are left against the whole other team, and then Cena go outside to grab a chair, and turn on his team mate and smash it over his head. It DQ's Cena, someone from the heel team pins the guy, while Cena stands there doing the military salute to have it go off the air.

I think it's been proven that you can recycle storylines, but I do see your point. It could very well not go over at all if they went that direction. I do like your idea though. That's one of the main reasons I like posting and reading here on the Pro Wrestling forum, everyone seems to have pretty solid ideas and are knowledgeable of the sport, or at least the entertainment side of it. Sometimes it seems like some of us would be better suited to create storylines than the guys actually getting paid to do it.

[Tricky Ricky]

it wouldnt be that hard to turn cena in to a heel with there fans, they love him but they onlylove him because they are told to love him

Cena generates so much $ with merchandise that it would be stupid for WWE to turn him heel, hed be a great heel no doubt but it would just be a bad move $ wise

[jeffhardyfan52]

WWE most here fans love anyone with the right push so they could replace his merch money
Stone cold said it best, when your in wwe your just a cog in a machine and at some point that cog wwill need to be replaced and the machine will kep on going

[VintaGe36]

Cena is no HBK.

If the WWE wants Cena to turn heel, there will still be fans that love him, but he'll still be a "villain"

I watch HBK, and i find myself rooting for him, whether he's good or bad.

Anybody else agree with that?