OT: Pacquiao-Mayweather fight off! [foreal this time]

[Sever82]

Mayweather's camp denies what was said in the ESPN article also in which Arum said that Floyd's camp was urging him to take the 24 day proposal. Someone's lying big time, Floyd's adviser is saying they did propose the 14 days and that Arum only leaked out the 24 day proposal on purpose to make it seem as if Floyd wasn't being fair. I'm going to side with Floyd's team on this but its also possible both sides are lying.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24558

In my opinion Arum is lying for the simple fact that Arum came out publicly about the 24 days and now Floyd comes out publicly about the 14 days. Arum is making it seem like Floy never prosposed this and it gives off the impression that if it was proposed before, after or during the mediation, Pac would've accepted. But yet the 14 day proposal is out in the open now, so why not accept then?

[ManualRam]

Mayweather's camp denies what was said in the ESPN article also in which Arum said that Floyd's camp was urging him to take the 24 day proposal. Someone's lying big time, Floyd's adviser is saying they did propose the 14 days and that Arum only leaked out the 24 day proposal on purpose to make it seem as if Floyd wasn't being fair. I'm going to side with Floyd's team on this but its also possible both sides are lying.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24558

In my opinion Arum is lying for the simple fact that Arum came out publicly about the 24 days and now Floyd comes out publicly about the 14 days. Arum is making it seem like Floy never prosposed this and it gives off the impression that if it was proposed before, after or during the mediation, Pac would've accepted. But yet the 14 day proposal is out in the open now, so why not accept then?

well, you choose who you want to believe.

mediation was a last ditch effort. it failed. negotiations are over. arum and top rank have moved on.

[ManualRam]

also the number 24 came from when manny had his blood test prior to the hatton fight. GBP tried to use the 24/7 video evidence of manny taking a blood test to convince manny to take blood tests inside the 30 day window. team floyd and GBP said that manny's physical was taken 14 days prior to the fight. they were wrong, it was 24 days prior to the fight. hence, 24 day cut off.

[Ralphb07]

We didn't hear the 14 day cutoff because team Mayweather was doing what was told, both camps were told to not talk about anything until after mediation in which one again, Arum open his fat mouth

Everything that has come out is from Arum and the Mayweather haters will believe anything Arum says because they hate Mayweather.

I'm going to keep repeating myself until it sticks into everyone's head. 3 sides to every story- your side, my side and the truth......

The one thing is Mayweather and his camp haven't leaked everything like Arum so all we're hearing is what ARUM is saying, who is known to really dislike Mayweather.

[ManualRam]

We didn't hear the 14 day cutoff because team Mayweather was doing what was told, both camps were told to not talk about anything until after mediation in which one again, Arum open his fat mouth

no, mayweather claimed the 14 day cutoff was made prior to the mediation. there was no gag order prior to the mediation was there?
show me a link to any proposal of that sort.

[Ralphb07]

We didn't hear the 14 day cutoff because team Mayweather was doing what was told, both camps were told to not talk about anything until after mediation in which one again, Arum open his fat mouth

no, mayweather claimed the 14 day cutoff was made prior to the mediation. there was no gag order prior to the mediation was there?
show me a link to any proposal of that sort.

You're in LF right now

They were told to not talk until mediation was over, mediation was set up last week. Mayweather could of made that proposal last week, also Mayweather hasn't made many things public like Arum so keep that in mind. Just because Mayweather didn't announce it to the world doesn't mean it wasn't proposed

Mayweather brought it up after what Arum said. I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you because your mind is already set, I'm just not buying Arum at all....

If you were to believe everything Arum says, that's fine, I choose to do the opposite

[ManualRam]

We didn't hear the 14 day cutoff because team Mayweather was doing what was told, both camps were told to not talk about anything until after mediation in which one again, Arum open his fat mouth

no, mayweather claimed the 14 day cutoff was made prior to the mediation. there was no gag order prior to the mediation was there?
show me a link to any proposal of that sort.

You're in LF right now

They were told to not talk until mediation was over, mediation was set up last week. Mayweather could of made that proposal last week, also Mayweather hasn't made many things public like Arum so keep that in mind. Just because Mayweather didn't announce it to the world doesn't mean it wasn't proposed

Mayweather brought it up after what Arum said. I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you because your mind is already set, I'm just not buying Arum at all....

If you were to believe everything Arum says, that's fine, I choose to do the opposite

how so?
mediation started tuesday. gag order was in place during the proceedings.
BOTH camps have been negotiating through the media during the whole process.
you'd think that something like a 14 day cut off wouldve been announced from anybody in his camp prior to mediation like mayweather claimed.

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather said. "I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=4806180
it wasnt.

[Ralphb07]

no, mayweather claimed the 14 day cutoff was made prior to the mediation. there was no gag order prior to the mediation was there?
show me a link to any proposal of that sort.

I'm either writing poorly or you're just not understanding me, it could be me (Mags did say I have the Brad Miller effect

Yes Mayweather said he proposed the 14 day prior to mediation
No it didn't need to be made public/leaked before than to be true

I didn't say Mayweather didn't proposed it, I'm saying he did but that all you're hearing is Arum so that's why it wasn't brought up early.

Aren't you saying Maywehather didn't propose it and he's lying? All I'm saying is it didn't need to be leaked or announce to the world to happen and why would Arum bring that part up, it would make him look bad in which in that article you posted(I read yesterday) Mayweather says the following

Throughout this whole process I have remained patient but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them," Mayweather said in a statement.

Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather said. "I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30 day cutoff. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smoke screens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."

Which brings us back to what I've been saying. Mayweather is saying Arum is lying and he offered 14 day cutoff. It was not made public but most of the Mayweather stuff haven't been. Arum would not bring up the 14 days because it would again make his side look bad, which again brings me to three sides to every story

[jamesdiego]

We'll find out all the details soon and truth enough. All the answers about who's lying will come out when he mediators talk to the media. I still think the fight is gonna happen. Mayweather and his camp must be pretty nervous about the suit being filed. And doesn't Floyd still have the trouble with millions owed to the IRS? This fight will happen some way.

[ManualRam]

no, mayweather claimed the 14 day cutoff was made prior to the mediation. there was no gag order prior to the mediation was there?
show me a link to any proposal of that sort.

I'm either writing poorly or you're just not understanding me, it could be me (Mags did say I have the Brad Miller effect

Yes Mayweather said he proposed the 14 day prior to mediation
No it didn't need to be made public/leaked before than to be true

I didn't say Mayweather didn't proposed it, I'm saying he did but that all you're hearing is Arum so that's why it wasn't brought up early.

Aren't you saying Maywehather didn't propose it and he's lying? All I'm saying is it didn't need to be leaked or announce to the world to happen and why would Arum bring that part up, it would make him look bad in which in that article you posted(I read yesterday) Mayweather says the following

Throughout this whole process I have remained patient but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them," Mayweather said in a statement.

Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather said. "I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30 day cutoff. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smoke screens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."

Which brings us back to what I've been saying. Mayweather is saying Arum is lying and he offered 14 day cutoff. It was not made public but most of the Mayweather stuff haven't been. Arum would not bring up the 14 days because it would again make his side look bad, which again brings me to three sides to every story

no it doesnt have to be announced to made true, but both sides have been negotiating through the media. just about every single compromise and counter offer has been made public since the beginning. mayweather has been pretty silent through this whole process, but his TEAM has not.
you'd think that a compromise like a 14 day cutoff wouldve been announced by ANYBODY from his team. it wasnt.

mayweather says his team made that offer, arum denies it. i dont believe either. so back to square one unless a third party comes out and says something, but the fact is that no mention or even a rumor of a 14 day cutoff ever arose prior to mediation.

[ManualRam]

We'll find out all the details soon and truth enough. All the answers about who's lying will come out when he mediators talk to the media. I still think the fight is gonna happen. Mayweather and his camp must be pretty nervous about the suit being filed. And doesn't Floyd still have the trouble with millions owed to the IRS? This fight will happen some way.

why would the mediator talk to the media about any specifics in the case?
floyd jr has nothing to worry about in the case. floyd sr, roger mayweather and maybe oscar do.

i think the fight will happen in the fall.

[Sever82]

no it doesnt have to be announced to made true, but both sides have been negotiating through the media. just about every single compromise and counter offer has been made public since the beginning. mayweather has been pretty silent through this whole process, but his TEAM has not.
you'd think that a compromise like a 14 day cutoff wouldve been announced by ANYBODY from his team. it wasnt.

mayweather says his team made that offer, arum denies it. i dont believe either. so back to square one unless a third party comes out and says something, but the fact is that no mention or even a rumor of a 14 day cutoff ever arose prior to mediation.

Actually i think you're wrong on this. The only details that have been made public have dealt with the drug testing and most of those details if not all were leaked by Arum. The detailed on the Weight, the Gloves, etc were made public by Pac's camp. The details i remember floyd's camp leaked out were that he wanted olympic style testing, that he backed off and they proposed using another agency as long as it was random. And that they wanted testing inside of 30 days. I'm sorry but Arum has leaked out a lot of stuff during these negotiations, he mesed up this fight like he did the delahoya vs. trinidad part 2.

By the way if the Pac/Floyd fight is happening, it wont be happening on march 13th. Clottey as agreed to fight Pac and Pac has done the same. Here's hoping Clottey beats Pac and we wont have to worry about a Pac Vs. Floyd bout because Floyd probably wont even entertain fighting Pacman if he lossed to Clottey.

[Sever82]

We'll find out all the details soon and truth enough. All the answers about who's lying will come out when he mediators talk to the media. I still think the fight is gonna happen. Mayweather and his camp must be pretty nervous about the suit being filed. And doesn't Floyd still have the trouble with millions owed to the IRS? This fight will happen some way.

why would the mediator talk to the media about any specifics in the case?
floyd jr has nothing to worry about in the case. floyd sr, roger mayweather and maybe oscar do.

i think the fight will happen in the fall.

I agree if the fight happens, it will be in the fall but only if both fighters dont lose their next fights. As for the mediator he already released a statement and i'm pretty sure he'll leave it at that.

[pduh01]

I hate Bob Arum

Anyways I haven't read the whole entire thread so I going to post this article on here if someone already posted it I apologize.

The promoter for Floyd Mayweather Jr. told The Times today he wants to make sure Manny Pacquiao understands the difference between the mega-fight happening or not is the matter of Pacquiao submitting to a blood test 10 days later than his camp has already accepted.

"We're still trying to get Mayweather-Pacquiao done for March 13, and we've heard Manny has made claims that the position of Floyd willing to end blood tests 14 days before the fight was never communicated to him," Mayweather promoter Richard Schaefer told The Times.

Pacquiao's representatives say they agreed during a mediation session this week to have the Filipino star submit to a blood test 24 days before the fight, and another immediately after the fight was over.

Originally, Mayweather said he wanted both fighters to be subjected to random blood tests for performance-enhancing drugs all the way until fight night. Pacquiao later declined to take a blood draw less than 30 days before the fight.

"Mayweather wants to split it down the middle to 14 days," Schaefer said. "Isn't that reasonable?"

The question was put to Pacquiao's promoter.

"We had a [mediation] deal based on 24 days, but we said it's all off the table if [Mayweather representatives] get a no from Floyd, and they got a no," Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said. "So the train has left the station. We have moved on. We don't want to talk about Mayweather anymore until the fall."

Arum went as far as saying he's going to match Pacquiao against another welterweight fighter in his company, Joshua Clottey, on March 13 at a venue he wouldn't disclose but is reportedly Thomas and Mack arena in Las Vegas.

Schaefer is urging Mayweather-Pacquiao talks to continue, admitting a deal needs to be struck soon because of training schedules. Schaefer said "the fight is so publicized and being asked for by the public that it doesn't need our usual promotional push."

When told that, however, Arum replied, "He wants talks to continue. Who is he going to be talking to?"

Asked if Pacquiao knows the fight can be saved by agreeing to the 14-day deal, Arum barked, "Are you crazy?" and hung up the phone.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... ather.html

[Ralphb07]

no it doesnt have to be announced to made true, but both sides have been negotiating through the media. just about every single compromise and counter offer has been made public since the beginning. mayweather has been pretty silent through this whole process, but his TEAM has not.
you'd think that a compromise like a 14 day cutoff wouldve been announced by ANYBODY from his team. it wasnt.

mayweather says his team made that offer, arum denies it. i dont believe either. so back to square one unless a third party comes out and says something, but the fact is that no mention or even a rumor of a 14 day cutoff ever arose prior to mediation.

But hasn't everything first be made publicly through Arum first? That's pretty much how I've read it? The testing, venue, fight being off(twice) has all came out first by Arum in which either Golden Boy or Mayweather has disputed. All along Golden Boy or Mayweather have only really disputed Arum publicly in which Arum has made everything public from the start

It's a big mess and more to it IMO

I feel Arum has a grudge with Mayweather he chose Cotto over Mayweather and that was a mistake because Mayweather turned out to be a better fighter and draw. So I can see Arum being jealous

Golden Boy and Top rank had a ugly go around with Pacman of who was he with

I just hate all the Mayweather bashing Manualram. Both sides are wrong. I feel Mayweather should say screw the test and let's get it on and I also feel Manny should say I want this fight and who cares about the test let's do it

IMO neither really want the fight

[Sever82]

I hate Bob Arum

Anyways I haven't read the whole entire thread so I going to post this article on here if someone already posted it I apologize.

The promoter for Floyd Mayweather Jr. told The Times today he wants to make sure Manny Pacquiao understands the difference between the mega-fight happening or not is the matter of Pacquiao submitting to a blood test 10 days later than his camp has already accepted.

"We're still trying to get Mayweather-Pacquiao done for March 13, and we've heard Manny has made claims that the position of Floyd willing to end blood tests 14 days before the fight was never communicated to him," Mayweather promoter Richard Schaefer told The Times.

Pacquiao's representatives say they agreed during a mediation session this week to have the Filipino star submit to a blood test 24 days before the fight, and another immediately after the fight was over.

Originally, Mayweather said he wanted both fighters to be subjected to random blood tests for performance-enhancing drugs all the way until fight night. Pacquiao later declined to take a blood draw less than 30 days before the fight.

"Mayweather wants to split it down the middle to 14 days," Schaefer said. "Isn't that reasonable?"

The question was put to Pacquiao's promoter.

"We had a [mediation] deal based on 24 days, but we said it's all off the table if [Mayweather representatives] get a no from Floyd, and they got a no," Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said. "So the train has left the station. We have moved on. We don't want to talk about Mayweather anymore until the fall."

Arum went as far as saying he's going to match Pacquiao against another welterweight fighter in his company, Joshua Clottey, on March 13 at a venue he wouldn't disclose but is reportedly Thomas and Mack arena in Las Vegas.

Schaefer is urging Mayweather-Pacquiao talks to continue, admitting a deal needs to be struck soon because of training schedules. Schaefer said "the fight is so publicized and being asked for by the public that it doesn't need our usual promotional push."

When told that, however, Arum replied, "He wants talks to continue. Who is he going to be talking to?"

Asked if Pacquiao knows the fight can be saved by agreeing to the 14-day deal, Arum barked, "Are you crazy?" and hung up the phone.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... ather.html

starting to sound like Arum didnt communicate everything with Pacquiao.

[ManualRam]

no it doesnt have to be announced to made true, but both sides have been negotiating through the media. just about every single compromise and counter offer has been made public since the beginning. mayweather has been pretty silent through this whole process, but his TEAM has not.
you'd think that a compromise like a 14 day cutoff wouldve been announced by ANYBODY from his team. it wasnt.

mayweather says his team made that offer, arum denies it. i dont believe either. so back to square one unless a third party comes out and says something, but the fact is that no mention or even a rumor of a 14 day cutoff ever arose prior to mediation.

Actually i think you're wrong on this. The only details that have been made public have dealt with the drug testing and most of those details if not all were leaked by Arum. The detailed on the Weight, the Gloves, etc were made public by Pac's camp. The details i remember floyd's camp leaked out were that he wanted olympic style testing, that he backed off and they proposed using another agency as long as it was random. And that they wanted testing inside of 30 days. I'm sorry but Arum has leaked out a lot of stuff during these negotiations, he mesed up this fight like he did the delahoya vs. trinidad part 2.

what are you saying? mayweather's camp hasnt leaked negotiation details to the media, but they have?
both sides have, arum just happens to be louder and more a-hol-ish.

[jamesdiego]

We'll find out all the details soon and truth enough. All the answers about who's lying will come out when he mediators talk to the media. I still think the fight is gonna happen. Mayweather and his camp must be pretty nervous about the suit being filed. And doesn't Floyd still have the trouble with millions owed to the IRS? This fight will happen some way.

why would the mediator talk to the media about any specifics in the case?
floyd jr has nothing to worry about in the case. floyd sr, roger mayweather and maybe oscar do.

i think the fight will happen in the fall.

Like **** doesn't get leaked out all the time by people sworn to secrecy. If it can happen at the highest levels of government, it happen here. The media would get at the truth one way or another.

[ManualRam]

no it doesnt have to be announced to made true, but both sides have been negotiating through the media. just about every single compromise and counter offer has been made public since the beginning. mayweather has been pretty silent through this whole process, but his TEAM has not.
you'd think that a compromise like a 14 day cutoff wouldve been announced by ANYBODY from his team. it wasnt.

mayweather says his team made that offer, arum denies it. i dont believe either. so back to square one unless a third party comes out and says something, but the fact is that no mention or even a rumor of a 14 day cutoff ever arose prior to mediation.

But hasn't everything first be made publicly through Arum first? That's pretty much how I've read it? The testing, venue, fight being off(twice) has all came out first by Arum in which either Golden Boy or Mayweather has disputed. All along Golden Boy or Mayweather have only really disputed Arum publicly in which Arum has made everything public from the start

It's a big mess and more to it IMO

I feel Arum has a grudge with Mayweather he chose Cotto over Mayweather and that was a mistake because Mayweather turned out to be a better fighter and draw. So I can see Arum being jealous

Golden Boy and Top rank had a ugly go around with Pacman of who was he with

I just hate all the Mayweather bashing Manualram. Both sides are wrong. I feel Mayweather should say screw the test and let's get it on and I also feel Manny should say I want this fight and who cares about the test let's do it

IMO neither really want the fight

no, not everything has been leaked by arum first. arum just happens to be more vociferous.
i could make a joke about arum's religious background and his ability to spin the media....but i wont.

arum has a grudge with mayweather, thats easy to tell. it had nothing to do with arum choosing cotto over him. floyd always was the better fighter with more earning potential. floyd just wanted to be his own man (which he's not, since GBP helps negotiate for and promote him) so he left arum.

in fact he has a grudge with everybody on floyd's side. floyd himself, oscar and GBP as well as floyd's advisor al haymon.
he's just an as$hole who doesnt get along with any of his competitors.

[ManualRam]

We'll find out all the details soon and truth enough. All the answers about who's lying will come out when he mediators talk to the media. I still think the fight is gonna happen. Mayweather and his camp must be pretty nervous about the suit being filed. And doesn't Floyd still have the trouble with millions owed to the IRS? This fight will happen some way.

why would the mediator talk to the media about any specifics in the case?
floyd jr has nothing to worry about in the case. floyd sr, roger mayweather and maybe oscar do.

i think the fight will happen in the fall.

Like **** doesn't get leaked out all the time by people sworn to secrecy. If it can happen at the highest levels of government, it happen here. The media would get at the truth one way or another.

then the guy would never be hired as a mediator ever again.