How Many Games Does Rubio's FC Barcelona Win in NBA?

sorokii · Post #61 » by **sorokii** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 3:58 pm

I think they would be somewhere around 25 wins depending on the conference. They have built a pretty solid chemistry and style and the only reason they could lose is because of the physical differences, NBA is too athletic for some of them.

Rubio is being fantastic lately, easily the best U20 PG I´ve ever seen. He has improved his shooting, and in terms of passing and IQ he is off the charts. At this moment he might be a top 15 PG in NBA, which is great for a player that doesnt score much but facilitates a lot to the teammates and makes the team look better.

Navarro may be a starter at the right team. However, in NBA he is not on Ginobili´s level. In his Grizzlies year he did just okay, I think he was somewhere like 10 ppg 2 rpg 2 apg, but we have to understand that he was not even the third option in offense, and Navarro needs the ball. He is more than a 3pt shooter. Something similar is happening with Fernandez in Portland, he is missused.

The rest of the team are serious players, some of them could be NBA bench players, Lorbek is great in Europe, a top player with huge talent, but has an enormous lack of athleticism. Vazquez could be a solid replacement C in almost any team in the league, Lakovic a backup guard... and thats it.

However, with FIBA rules they would be playoff team in both conferences, I think.

Post #62 » by **5DOM** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 5:17 pm

I can just see that so many people here are either misinformed or not informed at all about this subject. And of course, most are biased

Post #63 » by **Nolan** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 5:37 pm

jinxed wrote:Navarro is great, especially under FIBA rules. He is in no way at Ginobili's level though.

Vasquez would be good in the NBA, Magic fans probably still hate him. Boy, did he pull a fast one on them.

He never pulled a fast one on them. He never really ever had any intention of playing the in the NBA and he made that pretty clear. But the Magic picked him anyway, if anything the Magic pulled a fast one on themselves.

I could see Barca winning maybe 20 to 30 games in the NBA. They have some talented players that could make it in the NBA but they just don't enough of them.

BullSoxChicago'sFinest · Post #64 » by **BullSoxChicago'sFinest** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 5:47 pm

I would love to see some kind of competition. Especially since the Euro leagues seem to be getting better. When that happens, I think you can have tournaments like this (like the insanely popular Champions League in soccer, like a World Cup for club teams, though that one is only for European teams)

There must be some way to make it work. The NBA regular season can be boring and sometimes meaningless, especially to the casual fan, but wouldn't get shortened because of money, but a tournament like this could probably make some good money. Stern loves the global expansion and what better way to make money

I've wondered about making the lottery teams go play in a competition with the Euro leauges, since they're sitting at home during the playoffs, maybe reward them with more lottery balls if they do well in the tournament, to avoid tanking and not caring

Or at least have the champs play the champs of the Euro competition. In soccer they have cash prizes for these sort of tournaments (or other international ones) which is plenty of incentives for the teams and players, but I'm guessing the Euro teams would love something like this without needing much motivation

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #65 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 5:53 pm

Jennings stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3997

Evans stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3983

Rubio's stats:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ?pcode=LFW

Just remember Evans and Jennings face NBA Caliber defenses every day.

Rubio's a damn bust, even more obvious then the Oden 2007 draft.

Jimmy76 · Post #66 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 6:02 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Jennings stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3997

Evans stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3983

Rubio's stats:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ?pcode=LFW

Just remember Evans and Jennings face NBA Caliber defenses every day.

Rubio's a damn bust, even more obvious then the Oden 2007 draft.

Im a Rubio skeptic but isnt it a bit premature to call him a bust before hes in the NBA

Vega06 · Post #67 » by **Vega06** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 7:14 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Jennings stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3997

Evans stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3983

Rubio's stats:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ?pcode=LFW

Just remember Evans and Jennings face NBA Caliber defenses every day.

Rubio's a damn bust, even more obvious then the Oden 2007 draft.

Probably the most flawed argument I've ever read. Were you being serious?

Rasho Brezec · Post #68 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 7:14 pm

Lorbek would be a killer NBA PF.

Carry on.

Greek · Post #69 » by **Greek** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 7:21 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Lorbek would be a killer NBA PF.

Carry on.

I love Lorbek, great, skilled player, but not strong or tall enough (like Mark Gasol), not tough enough. I cant see him more than a role player there.

Anyway NBA is stars game, in Europe star is the team, and some times the coach.

Funny thing is that they use as an example Barcelona, while that the most successful European team last 20 years is Panathinaikos

Post #70 » by **Three34** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 8:57 pm

I love Lorbek, great, skilled player, but not strong or tall enough (like Mark Gasol), not tough enough. I cant see him more than a role player there.

I dunno. He's about the same size and strength as Scola. He wouldn't star, but he'd be pretty good.

Rasho Brezec · Post #71 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 9:22 pm

He's 6'11 and would do fine as a PF. Think of him as a poor man's Tim Duncan without the defense.

Post #72 » by **Nolan** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 9:29 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Jennings stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3997

Evans stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=3983

Rubio's stats:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ?pcode=LFW

Just remember Evans and Jennings face NBA Caliber defenses every day.

Rubio's a damn bust, even more obvious then the Oden 2007 draft.

Have you ever looked at Jennings stats while he was in Italy? Terrible argument.

Alyosha12 · Post #73 » by **Alyosha12** » Sat Jan 9, 2010 9:30 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:He's 6'11 and would do fine as a PF. Think of him as a poor man's Tim Duncan without the defense.

This.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #74 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:12 am

Alyosha12 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:He's 6'11 and would do fine as a PF. Think of him as a poor man's Tim Duncan without the defense.

This.

Tim Duncan is a Hall of Fame Big man, whose in a class of purely his own.

Stop comparing these international players to hall of famers.

To compare Ricky Rubio to Pete Mavarich is comparing Pepe Sanchez to Jason Kidd.

Get it? It's not even close.

Bird And Magic · Post #75 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:59 am

mysticbb wrote:
SAKURABA216 wrote:There is a guy named Andersen on the Rockets that was the MVP of the Euroleague Finals last year

What? Last seasons Euroleague MVP was Navarro, Final 4 MVP was Spanoulis, Andersen was neither a 1st team nor a 2nd team member. Not quite sure where you got the "MVP of the Euroleague Finals" from.

Every single time I watch a Rockets game, regardless of what the announcers are they always say "Scola was a 3 time Euroleague MVP", "Andersen was MVP of the Euroleague finals". EVERY TIME. In fact neither of them ever won an MVP award in the Euroleague in their entire careers.

Apparently, it is part of the NBA's marketing scheme that the announcers are instructed to make up a lie that Euroleague players that are now in the NBA were Euroleague MVPs in order to make the NBA seem better. So you can't blame NBA fans when they believe this. I just shake my head at how many times the NBA announcers make up these lies.

Bird And Magic · Post #76 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:04 am

rpa wrote:
aroba wrote:Wrong...Navarro could be starter on any NBA team that lacks a good SG. He's ABSOUTELY the star on the Barcelona team and right now the best player left in Europe.
He just got such a bad luck with the Grizz, somehow they thought he was just a 3-point specialist, just like Blazers are doing with Rudy fernandez (yuck!).
Navarro is as good as Ginobili or even better player...and yes I've seen many games of both players to know that.

orrrrrrr....against NBA level players the only thing he COULD do dependably was be a 3-point specialist.

I'm sorry but watching guys like JCN dominate Euroball and say he could have been a starter here is like watching me dominate some 10 year old kids then wondering how I'm not on an NBA roster.

Navarro has never in his life "dominated Euro ball".

Bird And Magic · Post #77 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:09 am

aroba wrote:
Addis wrote:
aroba wrote:Wrong...Navarro could be starter on any NBA team that lacks a good SG. He's ABSOUTELY the star on the Barcelona team and right now the best player left in Europe.
He just got such a bad luck with the Grizz, somehow they thought he was just a 3-point specialist, just like Blazers are doing with Rudy fernandez (yuck!).
Navarro is as good as Ginobili or even better player...and yes I've seen many games of both players to know that.

Yes, I somewhat agree. Navarro's NBA career didn't do him justice. He's a great player, Ginobili good.

Forget it, this people only watch NBA games, not NBA + FIBA games like we do. They don't see SPain vs Argentina (Ginobili vs Navarro) and KNOW how good Navarro is.
Yeah, yeah, he's a 6'4'', no defensive 3-point specialist like he showed in Memphis

BTW, Marc Gasol is not being the MIP, he was THAT good, but they didn't share the ball with him last season. SOmething like that happened with Navarro in his only season in the NBA. He got tired of being wasted and he returned home were he's Europe's best player.

Now, if you give the ball to Navarro he's going to score big time in the NBA. He just needs the ball like Iverson does.

I watch NBA, FIBA, and Euroleague for many years now.

1. Navarro is nowhere close to being the best player in Europe.

2. Navarro is not as good as Manu was. Sorry, but no. With that being said at this current time he is in fact much better than Manu.

3. Just to put some things in proper perspective (as in not NBA only fan or Spanish basketball only fan) like is being done here in this thread, Navarro may or may not be the best player on his team Barca. Lorbek might actually be a better player than he is. Also, Navarro is a far better player than Rudy Fernandez. And the fact that NBA fans don't understand that is simply because they have no knowledge about anything in pro basketball that is not NBA related.

Bird And Magic · Post #78 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:13 am

depaso+ wrote:Rubio is, at best, the best PG in the draft. And he has won every game(*). PERIOD.

(*) 24-1

Barca's record on the year is actually 30-1. Also, Rubio is extremely overrated and I know because I watch ACB. Euroleague (of all teams not just Spanish ones like the Spanish homers do - Spanish fans have a general total lack of knowledge of European basketball outside Spain). Rubio is insanely overrated by the Spanish and the NBA side of things. He is a good player but he's just that and nothing more. I would not even call him a star in the Euroleague. If anything he's just a solid point guard in the Euroleague. The hype from Spanish homers on him is epic and outweighs even the hype that was placed on Jasikevicius and Fernandez. BTW, Jasikevicius was much better than Rubio is.

Bird And Magic · Post #79 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:18 am

Alyosha12 wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
Alyosha12 wrote:35 wins in the west 42 wins in the east.

They would be better then a lot of teams IMO, for example a top 3 rookie this year in Casspi averaged 8,8 points and 3 rbs last year so don't underestimate the Euroleague. Navarro, Rubio, Lorbek and Vazquez are easy NBA starter material, they would be on Toronto's level IMO.

LOL same guys that said USA wouldn't get the gold 2 years ago. Why am I not surprised.

LOL wut? Please show me where i said that haha, i said they were the big favorite to win it. Just because i'm from Europe doesn't mean i'm irrational, they had the best team and took it seriously, still it was not a done deal, they had to work for it in the end, and had a very easy group.

Look i watch around 30 NBA games per year, and all Euroleague games, so i feel i can make a valid comparison and draw parallels, because i am familiar with both leagues quality.
The only difference today between the NBA and Eruoleague are the franchise players, all the other players are interchangeable.

I agree with you 100%. As someone who actually watches the league (and no NBA fans saying here they watch 5-6 games of one Euroleague team does NOT count for knowing what the Eurolegaue level is) I agree with you. There are not Kobe, Wade, LeBron, Pau those type of players. But outside of the top 10 or maybe top 15 NBA players there is virtually no difference at all between the level of the two leagues.

It's a very strange thing how Americans view the Euroleague. because the fact is that basically an 8-9 man in an NBA rotation is often also going to be nothing more than an 8-9 man in the Euroleague. A good 6th man in the NBA will pretty much be a good 6th man in the Euroleague. A guy that is a marginal NBA player will usually be a marginal Euroleague player. Yet there is a huge misconception in the US that the worst player in the NBA would be the best player in the Euroleague. I'm not sure that it is based on anything other than nationalism and patriotism, because it for sure is not based in way, shape, or form on facts or objectivity.

So you are totally right, other than the top level players, the players are basically on the same level.

Bird And Magic · Post #80 » by **Bird And Magic** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:22 am

sorokii wrote:I think they would be somewhere around 25 wins depending on the conference. They have built a pretty solid chemistry and style and the only reason they could lose is because of the physical differences, NBA is too athletic for some of them.

Rubio is being fantastic lately, easily the best U20 PG I´ve ever seen. He has improved his shooting, and in terms of passing and IQ he is off the charts. At this moment he might be a top 15 PG in NBA, which is great for a player that doesnt score much but facilitates a lot to the teammates and makes the team look better.

Navarro may be a starter at the right team. However, in NBA he is not on Ginobili´s level. In his Grizzlies year he did just okay, I think he was somewhere like 10 ppg 2 rpg 2 apg, but we have to understand that he was not even the third option in offense, and Navarro needs the ball. He is more than a 3pt shooter. Something similar is happening with Fernandez in Portland, he is missused.

The rest of the team are serious players, some of them could be NBA bench players, Lorbek is great in Europe, a top player with huge talent, but has an enormous lack of athleticism. Vazquez could be a solid replacement C in almost any team in the league, Lakovic a backup guard... and thats it.

However, with FIBA rules they would be playoff team in both conferences, I think.

The FIBA rules or NBA rules difference does not matter because if they were in the NBA they would have to play under NBA rules. So IMO they would win about 20 games the first year due to the huge difference and distortion of the rules.

If they had a full year under the NBA rules, I would say they would win about 40-45 games the second year in the NBA once they were acclimated. I would also like to point out that IMO Barca is not the best team in the Euroleague, just so NBA fans understand that. Because from the viewpoint of NBA fans and Spanish fans that is put as a falsehood that they are clearly the best team in the Euroleague, which to me they are definitely not.