Kahn offered Al for Granger (post Al trade ideas here)

[SSUBluesman]

Narf said $14 million "a" year

Esohny pointed out two of those years are less than $14 million

Narf clarified "average of $14.125 milion dollars a year" (as in per year, not "a" year")

Clear everyone?

I like both Narf and Esohny, but I gotta say, that seemed like the stupidest argument this forum has yet to see. And that's saying A LOT. Mostly cause I'm here, and not with all of my brain cells.

No, I've participated in dumber arguments...including the one I'm trying to start now.

As far as an Al for Granger trade goes I hate it. Luckily I can be reasonably certain that it was either not talked about at all or was not done so in a serious manner. Kahn does not look like a fool and has shown that he has patience, lending credence to his denials.

Granger is a role player putting up big numbers in a great system w/o anyone else around him. He is, at least from my limited viewings, best utilized as a role/support player, not someone you build around. Jefferson can be built around, and as I've said before you don't trade big for small unless you're getting a significant upgrade in return. The easiest and most common way to build contending teams is with a great player (or two) that you surround with guys who fit. The Pistons were the exceptions, not the rule. A team with Granger/Love looks to go the Pistons route, unless Wall comes aboard and is Wade 2.0.

[shrink]

Narf said $14 million "a" year

Esohny pointed out two of those years are less than $14 million

Narf clarified "average of $14.125 milion dollars a year" (as in per year, not "a" year")

Clear everyone?

I like both Narf and Esohny, but I gotta say, that seemed like the stupidest argument this forum has yet to see. And that's saying A LOT. Mostly cause I'm here, and not with all of my brain cells.

I would argue you've seen stupider.

[colors]

Coming from the DET just curious what you would think of this trade.

Stuckey, Prince, Brown for Jefferson and Sessions


or just Stuckey and Prince for Jefferson.

I don't think it'd be what the team is looking for. Stuckey doesn't look too bad and he could be a nice addition to the team but I don't think he's good enough to be a centre piece in a trade for Jefferson yet. Prince is a veteran and is moving on in years so his value to a team like Minnesota becomes less.

If Al gets traded it would most likely be for another good player around his age (one reason the Granger rumour popped up) or at the very least a combination of young players that could develop into something nice. Al's only 25 and with his play and potential he should have a fair amount of value.

I'm as curious as my fellow Piston fan to see if a deal would be possible at all for Jefferson. Prince expires next year, that's the main reason why he was proposed there. What if we add our 1st ? Gordon is also a possibility, as are our rookies Jerebko (who has been playing very well and can play either forward position) and Daye (who can easily be added to any trade).

How about Prince, Stuckey and 1st for big Al,
or Gordon, Jerebko and 1st for big Al,
or Prince, Gordon and 1st for big Al and Brian Cardinal ?

[PeeDee]

Sorry man, DET and MN just aren't good trade partners. You guys really have nothing that could pry the last dinosaur on Earth off of our team.

[colors]

Sorry man, DET and MN just aren't good trade partners. You guys really have nothing that could pry the last dinosaur on Earth off of our team.

Oh unfortunately we are bad trade partners with pretty much 29 other teams...
I was just thinking, considering our current results, our 1st is becoming quite valuable. Anyway, thanks for the answer.

[B Calrissian]

How about something based on..

MN in- Iggy/CV/Holiday
MN out- Jefferson/Gomes/Sessions

Flynn and Iggy could drive and kick to Love and CV all day. CV would be a great sixth man. I know that the interior defense would get even weaker but it would probably be countered by replacing Gomes and Sessions with better defenders (Iggy/Holiday).

DET in- Jefferson/Green
DET out- Gordon/CV/1st

They combine assests and try to win again with Prince/Hamilton.

PHI in- Gordon/Sessions/Gomes/DET 1st
PHI out- Iggy/Green/Holiday

They let Young move to SF full time and get plenty of outside shooting. Eddie Jordan would get the poor mans version of his stars from Washington (Gordon/Arenas Gomes/Jamison). Don't pick these comparisons apart. I am just pointing out that these players would fit better in his offense.

[Krapinsky]

How about Rip Hamilton and Jason Maxiell for Brand? Makes a lot of sense to me ...

[colors]

^Been discussed on the Pistons board, we want no part of Brand and his contract.

The above three-team trade is intriguing.
For Detroit, I have to say it looks unlikely Joe D would deal the two guys we just signed (and add our 1st), especially since that trade wouldn't make us any younger. I think many DET fans would dislike it, personally I would be fine with it.
For Philly, my guess is since you mostly get pieces from them, their reaction would be to try to cut us from the deal and get Jefferson for themselves. Besides, I suppose they wouldn't like trading Holiday. As it is, the deal isn't awful for them, but I somehow doubt Sixers fans will like it.
For you guys, I will let others comment, but I get a feeling that Charlie V won't be seen by all as being a very attractive target. He has this faculty of easily getting on the nerves of many people.

[B Calrissian]

Would this be better?

MN in- Iggy/CV
MN out- Jefferson/Gomes/Pavlovic

DET in- Jefferson/Green
DET out- Gordon/CV

PHI in- Gordon/Gomes/Pavlovic
PHI out- Iggy/Green

[Krapinsky]

Yuck

[B Calrissian]

I am guessing Yuck = not a fan of CV.

[colors]

If they don't get our first in the process, then Philly has no reason whatsoever to do this. Not mentionning that the idea of an Iverson-Gordon backcourt doesn't look any good imo. We would have to ask Sixers fans, but I don't really see them interested.

But I appreciate the effort to try to find a trade where we would land big Al, it's not an easy task...

[cpfsf]

We'd be paying CV about 8 million to play for about 15 minutes on the bench. Our frontcourt would be CV, Hollins, Peckovic, and KLove.

No offense to any Detroit fans here aka colors, but...

I don't think CV really has a whole lot of room to improve. And again, we're paying roughly 8 million a year for several years on a high risk - mediocre reward guy. IF we find out this lineup isn't special, than we're kind of SOL. I'm not saying CV's bad, but we've already got Love starting and would have a huge question mark at either center or small forward (depending on who we draft).

I think value wise it's close though. I had to really think about it.

What about this?

Jefferson for Ibaka/Krstic/Harden

or is Harden, Ollie, Mayor, Green, Krstic, Collison, Westbrook, Mullens, picks, and pretty much anyone wearing a Thunder jersey all off the table?

[colors]

^oh none taken, Villanueva tends to elicit a lot of bad reactions, including currently among Pistons fans.
But actually, even those who hate him agree that Charlie has a lot of room to improve in the sense that if he could find some consistency he would be quite amazing. I mean, the nights when he's on, he really looks unstoppable. The nights when he's off, you wonder what he's doing on the court (hence the sixth man role he has for us these days).
Of course, I'm talking about offense. Defense-wise, there's nothing much to expect from him, as you probably already know. But the dude has talent, and his contract isn't too bad.

[GopherIt!]

26/26 bicthes. who dat? who dat? who dat say wey gonna trade dem Big AL?