the trade that danny NEEDS to make

[Derekman]

yea just like if memphis was going to trade pau gasol for expirings they would move him east.... oh wait

just like if utah was going to trade their first round draft pick from this past draft they would move him out of their division at least right? .... damnit wrong again

anyway the lakers people have already said that the lakers dont want to take on hinrich's deal, im sure the bulls wouldnt prefer to move him to a team in conference, but its not the nfc east in the nfl or sox yankees, nba teams trade in conference all the time, because the fact is it doesnt matter as much in the nba becuase soo many teams make the playoffs that the likelyhood of actually playing against the guy is decreased

and no way would you use the same logic if this were a clippers player you wanted

Big difference. Memphis was tanking, Lakers were contending, they wouldn't get in eachothers way. Chicago, however, is only trading Hinrich to become a contender next year with the signing of Bosh or Lebron by pairing them up with Noah and Rose (be a pretty scary team btw). The celtics are also contenders; if the choice became trading him out west to a team (plenty of teams out west would give expirings for him) / trading him to a bottom feeder (very unlikely) or trading him to a contender, the bulls would choose the former every time.

Can the celtics get him? Yes, but only if there the only team to bid for him.

[Hemingway]

You have to look at this trades from both teams real point of view.

Boston:
They have the expirings as well as minor sweeteners in late picks and untested young players and the ability to throw some cash in a deal. I think danny will look at a few guys: Gomes, Kirk, Noch ext. So if a deal for Kirk was on the table I believe it is one of the better deals for Boston. So i'd assume it is not on the table yet, which brings us to:

Chicago:
You have to figure with Amare, Bosh, LBJ, Wade, JJ and well as some older guys and lesser names on the market this summer, they are a great shot to land one. With Rose, Hinrich becomes the odd man out with his salary. The real question is: What are Chicago's options of trades that clear Kirk's salary? My guess is that they will do the Celtics deal IF nothing better comes along. We can assume is hasn't come along yet as no trade has been made.

This is a deal that I believe will go down around the deadline. Chicago will hold out as long as they can to find a better trade or string some real wins together. If by the deadline they are out of the playoffs (or perhaps just not having a shot out of the first round) they make a trade like this. The only big assumption I am making is assuming danny really likes Kirk.

[theman]

yea just like if memphis was going to trade pau gasol for expirings they would move him east.... oh wait

just like if utah was going to trade their first round draft pick from this past draft they would move him out of their division at least right? .... damnit wrong again

anyway the lakers people have already said that the lakers dont want to take on hinrich's deal, im sure the bulls wouldnt prefer to move him to a team in conference, but its not the nfc east in the nfl or sox yankees, nba teams trade in conference all the time, because the fact is it doesnt matter as much in the nba becuase soo many teams make the playoffs that the likelyhood of actually playing against the guy is decreased

and no way would you use the same logic if this were a clippers player you wanted

Big difference. Memphis was tanking, Lakers were contending, they wouldn't get in eachothers way. Chicago, however, is only trading Hinrich to become a contender next year with the signing of Bosh or Lebron by pairing them up with Noah and Rose (be a pretty scary team btw). The celtics are also contenders; if the choice became trading him out west to a team (plenty of teams out west would give expirings for him) / trading him to a bottom feeder (very unlikely) or trading him to a contender, the bulls would choose the former every time.

Can the celtics get him? Yes, but only if there the only team to bid for him.

The best the Lakers could offer is Adam Morrison, Jordan Farmor and DJ Menga. Personally I think Scal/TAllen and House is a better package.

The real question is: What are Chicago's options of trades that clear Kirk's salary? My guess is that they will do the Celtics deal IF nothing better comes along. We can assume is hasn't come along yet as no trade has been made.

That is the key. And a likely trade partner would need many things.

1) Expiring contracts that match Hinrich's salary.

2) A need for Hinrich (Dallas is stacked with PG's)

3) Not be saving their own expirings to make a play at FA in summer 2010 (out are NYK, Nets, Heat, et. al.).

4) Not be trying to retain their own FA's in 2010 (Cleveland, Atlanta, Heat and Raptors out).

[cfan79]

The only thing I don't like about the Chicago deal is Hinrich's contract. He's making way too much for a backup. I'd do the Ray for Iggy deal in a ninja's heartbeat.

[Ed Pinkney]

I heard somewhere that Hinrich's contract was front loaded so it decreases each year.

[cfan79]

I heard somewhere that Hinrich's contract was front loaded so it decreases each year.

Yep, but its still way way too much. He's making almost as much as Rondo will make.

This year 9.5, Next yr 9 and in his last yr he's making 8 million.

[irie]

You do realize the other team has to agree to the trade?

Bulls would agree to this in a millisecond. Hinrich is a grossly overpaid bench player.

They definitely would not. You're either way overrating the trade value of the scrubs mentioned by the OP or you're underestimating the value of Hinrich. They've probably already gotten better trade offers for him that they turned down.

[hairybyrd]

I heard somewhere that Hinrich's contract was front loaded so it decreases each year.

Yep, but its still way way too much. He's making almost as much as Rondo will make.

This year 9.5, Next yr 9 and in his last yr he's making 8 million.

The reason he makes so much is because he's good enough to start. Hinrich's contract expires along with KG's, Pierce's, and probably Ray's after we re-sign him.; adding him to the mix wouldn't affect anything we do in the off-season and the owners are willing to spend if it'll put us over the top. So what if he makes as much as Rondo? I don't think Hinrich's overpaidness would send a negative message to the team if that's what you're implying. It would probably net #18. I'm all for slightly overpaying Hinrich right now to make that happen. What's our alternative? Tyronn Lue? Sick.

[hairybyrd]

I heard somewhere that Hinrich's contract was front loaded so it decreases each year.

Yep, but its still way way too much. He's making almost as much as Rondo will make.

This year 9.5, Next yr 9 and in his last yr he's making 8 million.

The reason he makes so much is because he's good enough to start. Hinrich's contract expires along with KG's, Pierce's, and probably Ray's after we re-sign him.; adding him to the mix wouldn't affect anything we do in the off-season and the owners are willing to spend if it'll put us over the top. So what if he makes as much as Rondo? I don't think Hinrich's overpaidness would send a negative message to the team if that's what you're implying. It would probably net #18. I'm all for slightly overpaying Hinrich right now to make that happen. What's our alternative? Tyronn Lue? Sick.

[hairybyrd]

I heard somewhere that Hinrich's contract was front loaded so it decreases each year.

Yep, but its still way way too much. He's making almost as much as Rondo will make.

This year 9.5, Next yr 9 and in his last yr he's making 8 million.

The reason he makes so much is because he's good enough to start. Hinrich's contract expires along with KG's, Pierce's, and probably Ray's after we re-sign him.; adding him to the mix wouldn't affect anything we do in the off-season and the owners are willing to spend if it'll put us over the top. So what if he makes as much as Rondo? I don't think Hinrich's overpaidness would send a negative message to the team if that's what you're implying. It would probably net #18. I'm all for slightly overpaying Hinrich right now to make that happen. What's our alternative? Tyronn Lue? Sick.

[IEcelticfan]

how abt this jawad williams guy? can we steal him from clev? good length, should be a semi-decent defender and can knock down outside shot?

although the 2x i watched him defend bryant tonight, he didnt even put his hand to bryant's face

[campybatman]

You know, I'd noticed that too about Hinrich's salary. It's comparable to Rondo's extension. For me, I can accept that knowing that his contract is for only two more years and he's a legitimate starting point guard. That is to say, he gives you piece of mind if Rondo should sustain a moderate to serious injury. However, I don't follow Chicago games so I'm uncertain of what exactly Hinrich provides a team defensively. Still, the Celtics have Thibodeau on the coaching staff who might could coach Hinrich up like Ray.

The problem is, a player of Hinrich's talent should be starting for a team. For this reason, it might not make sense to acquire him unless you see him as a replacement at starting shooting guard for Ray. Basically, Hinrich is going to either be a starter for your team or a potentially good sixth man. Like anyone, he probably would like to start.

[cfan79]

I agree, Hinrich deserves to start somewhere. Surprisingly he's a decent defender that can do multiple things. Hinrich was a big part of why Chicago played us so well in the playoffs. He would be great for the C's if he were making 5-6 million a year, but he's not.