Should the Cavs Stay Put on Trades?

Baseline Runner · Post #1 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:48 am

We've proven we can match up with the Lakers and have a good shot at beating them in the finals. Orlando is a shell of their former selves. Boston will be tough but we've beat them with a lesser team than we have now. Why should we make a big trade and disrupt what we have going on. Obviously an upgrade at PF would be nice but sometimes a good player like Jamison can disrupt a team's chemistry if he isn't right for the team. It happened with Phoenix and Shaq last year and now its happening with Carter and Orlando this year. A player like Jamison, a guy who doesn't play much D and has poor shot selection, could be our cryptonite ruining a good thing and a shot at the title.

Jimmy76 · Post #2 » by **Jimmy76** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:52 am

you get jamison

hes an upgrade and its not like hes less streaky than mo (mo had a similar defensive rep before the cavs too)

hes a fantastic leader/lockeroom guy he wont disrupt chemistry just think of him as a mo pf

Post #3 » by **B Mac** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:22 am

If all it costs to get Jamison is Z who returns in a buyout and a pick or bench guy then you do it in a heartbeat. If by some chance he doesnt workout then you dont play him.... You can never have enough weapons.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #4 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:39 am

You need to make a trade because next year when Lebron is resigning - he knows Shaq/Z aren't getting any younger. More talent is needed to the core. Can't ONLY think about this year.

That said trading Z makes me nervous. I think we need him against teams like LA and ORL. I hope Ferry can find a deal that virtually guarantees him coming back...

Trading Hickson makes me slightly nervous also because every now and then he shows some flashes of being something and we need young players in the core. If we dump him for an older vet we age even more.

Ferry will have to work some magic on the deal he makes - Z with draft picks and buyout/return would be ideal..

L&H_05 · Post #5 » by **L&H_05** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:47 am

Honestly, just think if we had Jamison tonight...Who guards him out on the perimeter ? Pau ?

Or what about the Celtics, KG ?

With a Jamison we can pull a big away from the basket and make their bigs actually defend.. Tonight was a little different in the sense that the Lakers were trying to cheat off JJ and he made them pay... We could do that every night with a PF that has to be accounted for...

If we get Jamison *and we're healthy for the playoffs* the championship is ours... There's not a single team in the league that would beat us.. Including those softies we saw tonight...

GenevieveJames · Post #6 » by **GenevieveJames** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:52 am

trade z for jamison looks less risky of powe[[[he played great against lakers in finals btw]]] comes back healthy....

Post #7 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:01 am

L&H_05 wrote:Honestly, just think if we had Jamison tonight...Who guards him out on the perimeter ? Pau ?

Or what about the Celtics, KG ?

With a Jamison we can pull a big away from the basket and make their bigs actually defend.. Tonight was a little different in the sense that the Lakers were trying to cheat off JJ and he made them pay... We could do that every night with a PF that has to be accounted for...

If we get Jamison *and we're healthy for the playoffs* the championship is ours... There's not a single team in the league that would beat us.. Including those softies we saw tonight...

Remember that's a double edged sword since who's he guarding as well?

Icestorm959 · Post #8 » by **Icestorm959** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:10 am

Z + Shaq is giving alot of playoff teams big matchup problems against us, unless the buyback and Z coming back is assured, I wouldn't do it for Jamison. Jamison is no spring chicken either, and Cavs will have a big gaping hole in the front-court next year, regardless of whether we win the championship this year or not.

Anthony Parker is getting so reliable at those corner 3's that I don't particularly want to make a change at the 2 position either.

The team chemistry is actually pretty good, getting a jumpshooting power forward lake Jamison may upset it more than its worth. He's not a great inside defender either, especially as he will be going up against people like Gasol & Garnett at the 4.

L&H_05 · Post #9 » by **L&H_05** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:51 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:
L&H_05 wrote:Honestly, just think if we had Jamison tonight...Who guards him out on the perimeter ? Pau ?

Or what about the Celtics, KG ?

With a Jamison we can pull a big away from the basket and make their bigs actually defend.. Tonight was a little different in the sense that the Lakers were trying to cheat off JJ and he made them pay... We could do that every night with a PF that has to be accounted for...

If we get Jamison *and we're healthy for the playoffs* the championship is ours... There's not a single team in the league that would beat us.. Including those softies we saw tonight...

Remember that's a double edged sword since who's he guarding as well?

True, but is it going to be any worse than what we're going into games with now ?

Nah.. It's all about rotations and team defense... Jamison can get that down IMO.. He's not going to be on an island by himself IMO..

Post #10 » by **Rise Against** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:40 am

I still think we need to make a trade.. We can't look too much into this win.

GenevieveJames · Post #11 » by **GenevieveJames** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:26 am

We have the Lakers beat in the playoffs, even last year we would have beat them in my opinion. Orlando we now matchup nicely with. The question is Boston, if Boston are healthy they remain a threat. So if we upgrade we upgrade to beat Boston.

InBoobieWeTrust · Post #12 » by **InBoobieWeTrust** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:53 am

Still need a power forward who can shoot and rebound consistently.(Another big scorer to take pressure off Bron would help too, this is why Jamison fits the bill perfectly.

Hickson was brilliant last night, but he can't be counted on consistently yet.

GenevieveJames · Post #13 » by **GenevieveJames** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:30 pm

Ok Jamison is great as long as our interior defense doesnt get soft, cos defense is more important than offense in the playoffs, and we have enough offense to get best record in the nba already.

mcfly1204 · Post #14 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:38 pm

I still think we should look to upgrade at SG. Caron Butler has been playing better as of late. He isn't the shooter that Parker is, but he is a better defender and can create for himself. I just don't think Ferry can afford to pass up any good deals like he did last season.

JonFromVA · Post #15 » by **JonFromVA** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:51 pm

We have to make the right trade with an eye toward the future.

We also need to make a decision whether we're going to keep building the team by using expiring contracts (in which case we need to obtain some), or if we every hope to get under the salary cap and use cap space.

Baseline Runner · Post #16 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:51 pm

In my opinion Varejao is our real PF, not Hickson. Hickson just plays filler minutes which Leon Powe will probably take when he comes back. If we get Jamison its just going to take all of Varejao's minutes, thus significantly changing the composition of our team, especially if we lose Z too. We match up very good against all of the top teams, I don't see a reason to drastically mix things up.

Baseline Runner · Post #17 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:53 pm

BTW, I would rather go after Caron Butler than Jamison. He plays great defense, can play the 2 or 3 and is consistent with our style of play. Iggy would be great too if we had any chance at him.

mcfly1204 · Post #18 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:08 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:BTW, I would rather go after Caron Butler than Jamison. He plays great defense, can play the 2 or 3 and is consistent with our style of play. Iggy would be great too if we had any chance at him.

Picking up Butler would also give us a nice asset for any possible S&T deals over the summer. I hate the term "'position' by committee", but I think Cleveland can be very successful with Varejao/Hickson/Powe/Jawad. Also, the stability that Butler would add to our starting lineup would give us the opportunity to develop a younger center next season, similar to what we are doing now with Hickson.

heathmalc · Post #19 » by **heathmalc** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:30 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:We've proven we can match up with the Lakers and have a good shot at beating them in the finals. Orlando is a shell of their former selves. Boston will be tough but we've beat them with a lesser team than we have now. Why should we make a big trade and disrupt what we have going on. Obviously an upgrade at PF would be nice but sometimes a good player like Jamison can disrupt a team's chemistry if he isn't right for the team. It happened with Phoenix and Shaq last year and now its happening with Carter and Orlando this year. A player like Jamison, a guy who doesn't play much D and has poor shot selection, could be our cryptonite ruining a good thing and a shot at the title.

Jamison is one of the most efficient scorers in the league. I have never heard that Jamison has a poor shot-selection. And, from watching him tattoo the Cavs numerous times, I haven't seen it either. As for his defense... it is below average-to-poor...but, he'd be taking Hickson's spot, and it would be impossible for him (or anyone else) to play any worse defense than Hickson....unless they just walked off the court.

mcfly1204 · Post #20 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:40 pm

heathmalc wrote:Jamison is one of the most efficient scorers in the league. I have never heard that Jamison has a poor shot-selection. And, from watching him tattoo the Cavs numerous times, I haven't seen it either. As for his defense... it is below average-to-poor...but, he'd be taking Hickson's spot, and it would be impossible for him (or anyone else) to play any worse defense than Hickson....unless they just walked off the court.

He would be taking Hickson's spot, plus 10-15 minutes from Varejao.