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Boozer, Lee, Randolph, Stoudemire and Bosh
You want to be surprised? Take a look at how these five compare statistically. All shoot 52-54% (except Randolph's 50.5). All shoot free throws at 76-80%. All grab around 11 boards (except Stoudemire's 8.6). All average between 2 and 3.5 assists (except Stoudemire's 1.0). All average around 1 or fewer steals per game. None block more than 1.0 shot per game or fewer than a half. All turn the ball over at a similar rate of around 2.5, with Boozer at 2.9 and Randolph at just 2.2. And siginifantly, all are viewed as mediocre (at best) defensively.
With Stoudemire and Bosh viewed as the only major All Stars (you fill in the blank as to why) among them, they are also viewed as commanding huge, max type dollars this offseason. Randolph already makes huge money. David Lee and CBoozer will be the free agent steals in the upcoming summer.
With Stoudemire and Bosh viewed as the only major All Stars (you fill in the blank as to why) among them, they are also viewed as commanding huge, max type dollars this offseason. Randolph already makes huge money. David Lee and CBoozer will be the free agent steals in the upcoming summer.
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Well, Booz is on a lower level because of his injuries and emotional baggage. Now Lee... I don't understand that. I think he is a great player. WHat is most impressive about Lee is that NY doesn't run many plays through him. All of his points are hustle baskets. Maybe it is because he puts up great points on a horrible team. I'll bet Amar'e is the worst pickup out of the bunch over the off-season.
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Yeah, I don't get the Amare love. I think he's going to age faster than the others because of his numerous injuries, and I don't think his "old man skills" are as promising. And when it comes to big men, the difference between 2 assists per game and 3.5 is significant. When Stoudemire's is at 1.0 that tells me he's not in the same league as those other guys.
Really I think Boozer does just about everything better than Stoudemire, even defensively.
Really I think Boozer does just about everything better than Stoudemire, even defensively.

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I'm not a big Boozer guy, but he blows Amare out of the water. And as strange as this may sound, I think Lee gets hate because he's a white guy with his skills set. How long has it been since the league has had a talented, WHITE, big-man, that can be an all-star 5-6 times in his career? I think people are just having a hard time rapping their heads around the fact that there is actually a decent white player in the league again. I would take Lee over Amare and not think twice about it.

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Or maybe it has nothing to do with him being white, but rather him playing on a crappy chucking stat-inflating D'Antoni team?
Lee isn't an all-star IMO.
Kevin Love, on the other hand, may just be the great white hope you are looking for. Dude is gonna be a stud for a long time.
Lee isn't an all-star IMO.
Kevin Love, on the other hand, may just be the great white hope you are looking for. Dude is gonna be a stud for a long time.
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As far as the subject matter goes, Bosh is clearly at a level above the rest of these players. He simply doesn't have the level of weaknesses like they do. He may be mediocre at D but he's not terrible.
On the other hand, Boozer is injury prone and slow as hell on D, Randolph has terrible intangibles, Stoudemire is an offensive beast but is crap at everything else including rebounds, and Lee is a strong hustle player but certainly no go to player on offense. I'd probably put these 4 players in the same category under Bosh, as good big men with significant flaws that stop them from being great.
On the other hand, Boozer is injury prone and slow as hell on D, Randolph has terrible intangibles, Stoudemire is an offensive beast but is crap at everything else including rebounds, and Lee is a strong hustle player but certainly no go to player on offense. I'd probably put these 4 players in the same category under Bosh, as good big men with significant flaws that stop them from being great.
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Amare - My personal opinion is that he just need to change the team. Amare can have 30 + 13 for sure + 2 blocks every game.
I would love to see him at Jazz uniform. This is the type of Jerry's PF big - strong - who can make a MD jumpers.
He is not durable - yes. Just like Booz. Thats for sure. Amare dont want to have a big center around his like Shaq. We all remeber WHO was Amare withtout SHAQ and who he bacame playing with him. Now SHAQ is gone. But his regress continues. I really dont know why. I think Amare how Boozer needs to change the team - to has different chemistry.
And Amare is better defensevly. Remember his past years. I mean defensive thought and skills u just cant learn. Booz dont have from nature, but Amare has it.
I would love to see him at Jazz uniform. This is the type of Jerry's PF big - strong - who can make a MD jumpers.
He is not durable - yes. Just like Booz. Thats for sure. Amare dont want to have a big center around his like Shaq. We all remeber WHO was Amare withtout SHAQ and who he bacame playing with him. Now SHAQ is gone. But his regress continues. I really dont know why. I think Amare how Boozer needs to change the team - to has different chemistry.
And Amare is better defensevly. Remember his past years. I mean defensive thought and skills u just cant learn. Booz dont have from nature, but Amare has it.
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Amare better defensively? Better than whom? Or what? A folding chair?

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Amare did give up on the Suns last season before he was injured. Boozer NEVER gave up on the Jazz.
Also, I think Lee is an all-star. Who else is ging to back up Dwight? His numbers are a little better than Lopez's.
Also, I think Lee is an all-star. Who else is ging to back up Dwight? His numbers are a little better than Lopez's.
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I'll take Boozer out of the bunch.
His D has been much better this year, and he is staying healthy.
His D has been much better this year, and he is staying healthy.
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Sloanfeld wrote:Amare did give up on the Suns last season before he was injured. Boozer NEVER gave up on the Jazz.
idajazz wrote:I'll take Boozer out of the bunch.
His D has been much better this year, and he is staying healthy.
Seems convenient that he is never injured come playoff time and he hasn't missed any games so far in his contract year. I, and a lot of other people, called this at the before the season started. Booz will not miss any serious time this year, if any, because it is a contract year. Karl Malone would not have missed the amount of games Booz did, with the injuries Booz had. I know its not fair to compare the two, but the same could be said about Millsap as compared to Booz. Booz is a me first player and his stats/injuries have proven that. Oh and also the summer radio tour.
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QuantumMacgyver wrote:Well, Booz is on a lower level because of his injuries and emotional baggage. Now Lee... I don't understand that. I think he is a great player. WHat is most impressive about Lee is that NY doesn't run many plays through him. All of his points are hustle baskets. Maybe it is because he puts up great points on a horrible team. I'll bet Amar'e is the worst pickup out of the bunch over the off-season.
You just answered your own question. Lee definitely deserves credit for what he is doing, but his offensive skills are nowhere near on a level with the other players being discussed. D'Antoni's not an idiot, especially on offence...if Lee had that kind of offensive game, they WOULD be running plays through him.
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Amazing that people think a player controls whether he is injured or not. Some people are just **** crazy.
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DaveMustaine wrote:I'm not a big Boozer guy, but he blows Amare out of the water. And as strange as this may sound, I think Lee gets hate because he's a white guy with his skills set. How long has it been since the league has had a talented, WHITE, big-man, that can be an all-star 5-6 times in his career? I think people are just having a hard time rapping their heads around the fact that there is actually a decent white player in the league again. I would take Lee over Amare and not think twice about it.
Chris Kaman is even more underrated. And he actually plays defense. Guess he's just not cool enough.
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LOL at the Lee hype. He's one of the worst defensive players in the league, and he's never shown he can make your team a winner. You have to factor in the D'Antoni presence also.
Anyone who seriously says they'd take Lee over Amare is crazy.
Anyone who seriously says they'd take Lee over Amare is crazy.
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David Lee= Unathletic, non franchise or number 2 guy material
Amare = Super Athletic 1b guy
BOsh= Athletic plus best offensive PF in the league up with Dirk and Timmy D to some extent, 20 10 machine for the last 5 years franchise guy or 1b guy
Boozer+ Banger great touch and rebounder number 2 player
Randolph great talent but selfish bad chemistry bringer but somehow has been the mvp for the grizz
Amare = Super Athletic 1b guy
BOsh= Athletic plus best offensive PF in the league up with Dirk and Timmy D to some extent, 20 10 machine for the last 5 years franchise guy or 1b guy
Boozer+ Banger great touch and rebounder number 2 player
Randolph great talent but selfish bad chemistry bringer but somehow has been the mvp for the grizz
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After watching Amare last night, I can honestly say that he is the worst rebounder in the league for his size. I know he isn't playing inspired ball lately, but still, 5 rebounds? Sheesh...

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We do run alot of plays through Lee. And no, his points do not come on hustle plays. Most of his points this year come through his jump shot which he obviously has worked on. Heck, I would take Lee's jumpshot over all of the above the listed players (maybe Bosh has a little better one). His handles are also really good. Lee's major downside is his lack of off the ball defense (cannot block shots for his life) and the fact that he is shorter than Bosh, and Amare.
Lee, however, is the best passer out of all the players listed above and has shown the ability to improve his game every year. Its a joke if he gets passed on for the all star team this year.
Lee, however, is the best passer out of all the players listed above and has shown the ability to improve his game every year. Its a joke if he gets passed on for the all star team this year.
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Awoooga wrote:We do run alot of plays through Lee. And no, his points do not come on hustle plays. Most of his points this year come through his jump shot which he obviously has worked on. Heck, I would take Lee's jumpshot over all of the above the listed players (maybe Bosh has a little better one). His handles are also really good. Lee's major downside is his lack of off the ball defense (cannot block shots for his life) and the fact that he is shorter than Bosh, and Amare.
Lee, however, is the best passer out of all the players listed above and has shown the ability to improve his game every year. Its a joke if he gets passed on for the all star team this year.
He is an overachiever on a lottery team. You are too fascinated with him. Even I and most Jazz fans will admit that Boozer doesn't deserve an all-star bid, though he has had similar season to Lee.

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Bosh averages more offensive rebounds than the rest, is arguably a better defender, and is as efficient offensively as Amare (as measured by True Shooting.) But he does this without the luxury of playing with a Nash or Deron Williams. Remember, having an elite point guard dramatically boosts the offensive efficiency of bigs.
He is having a better year than any PF except possibly Dirk this year. And doing this without a Deron Williams level PG, no legitimate starting SG, Hedo Turkoglu having a bad year.
I think your best bet as a team is to resign Boozer if he will accept reasonable money, or possibly take a flier on David Lee. Lee can probably be signed for a 5-6 year contract averaging 13-15 mil.
Another option is to consider the PF by committee approach Houston is taking...hire an above average guy to backup Milsap.
He is having a better year than any PF except possibly Dirk this year. And doing this without a Deron Williams level PG, no legitimate starting SG, Hedo Turkoglu having a bad year.
I think your best bet as a team is to resign Boozer if he will accept reasonable money, or possibly take a flier on David Lee. Lee can probably be signed for a 5-6 year contract averaging 13-15 mil.
Another option is to consider the PF by committee approach Houston is taking...hire an above average guy to backup Milsap.
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