ImageImageImage

Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's?

Moderators: bisme37, Froob, Darthlukey, Shak_Celts, Parliament10, canman1971, shackles10, snowman

Jammer
General Manager
Posts: 8,803
And1: 3,324
Joined: Mar 06, 2001
Contact:
 

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#21 » by Jammer » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:16 pm

Yes.
shortodom
Veteran
Posts: 2,671
And1: 57
Joined: Dec 06, 2004

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#22 » by shortodom » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:28 pm

It's his game, he shoots 3's, if he's open he should take them , if he's not he shouldn't, simple as that. It's not his fault that Docs plays have him behind the 3 point line all the time. If you wanna blame someone for him taking so much 3's then blame Doc, he should see that Sheed isn't shooting well and change his plays so that he's in the post more
Image
Hemingway
Banned User
Posts: 3,725
And1: 3
Joined: Jan 11, 2005

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#23 » by Hemingway » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:41 am

I'll bite.

Sheed is saving himself. If he were to play in the post he would significantly increase the chances he is injured by the playoffs. Injury aside, he would at least be much more beat up. I suspect that as we get close to the playoffs his game will chance a bit. Furthermore, his play outside opens things up and fits within our current offense.

Also, to whomever said we have no post players, what about Perk? Sure hes no star down there but he does play in the post.
User avatar
dennis00
Senior
Posts: 567
And1: 0
Joined: Nov 02, 2008

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#24 » by dennis00 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:56 pm

Well, I think he should.
- Miami Heat 2011 Champions -
sully00
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 28,105
And1: 7,738
Joined: Jan 08, 2004
Location: Providence, RI
       

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#25 » by sully00 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:13 pm

Kind of an ironic time to bring this thread back overall. Wallace has shot 45 3's in Jan in 8 games compared to 50 in 14 games in Dec. He is shooting 36% for the month a little above his career avg after shooting 26% and 28% the previous two months. His attempts are up 5.6 per game in Jan compared to the 4.7 per the rest of the season, so apparently Sheed needed to shoot more 3's.

I think the bigger thing with Wallace is that he had to find a balance between being aggressive coming off the bench and not being too aggressive. He had become a player how had let the game come to him in DET and his role was different. Back in that starting role he was more comfortable finding his shot hopefully it stays with him.

There is no way this team can win a championship without Wallace shooting 3's. It is a basic fact of NBA basketball rebounding and 3pt shooting are essential. We only have 4 guys shooting 3's right now and both the team's percentage and makes are down and we aren't dominant enough on the glass to overcome that. We need to get to 36-37% with more makes and we aren't going to get there by shooting them less.
darrendaye
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 17,033
And1: 10,040
Joined: May 06, 2001
Location: Pollard Powered, in Yonkers, NY
     

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#26 » by darrendaye » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:36 pm

Tend to agree with Sully about Wallace's recent play. For me, the larger issue is playing Wallace and Baby together. Wallace will simply not work inside/out consistently; he will regress to hanging out on the perimeter for extended stretches. Pairing him with Big Baby means you are going to have to be creative at times to score buckets from the interior. We've seen periodic post-ups by Pierce and TA on the block, and a very rare opportunity or two for Rondo to post. Personally, I'd like to see that play dusted off by Rivers more often with that lineup.

Another thought that dawned on me last night was how effective Wallace is at finding open teammates when he handles the ball on the block. Personally I believe KG is far superior. Now this is just one example and may not represent Wallace's ability in this area, but there was one possession last night that Wallace did a poor job of scanning the floor. Wallace received the ball on the right block, Eddie was on the wing, and the other three Celtics were on the left side. Tony Allen cut to the basket and was free and clear for an easy attempt and Wallace never saw him. Again, this was one occurance and, sure, there is a lot going on and these opportunities are missed by the best of them. But with that second unit, these away from the ball cuts by TA and Marquis suit their offensive games and, IMO, should be a mainstay of the offensive philosophy for this second unit. I'm inclined to advocate using KG with the second unit wings to better take advantage of these chances.
Baylor is Brat.
sully00
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 28,105
And1: 7,738
Joined: Jan 08, 2004
Location: Providence, RI
       

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#27 » by sully00 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:38 pm

On darrendaye's point, Wallace absolutely is not comfortable with the motion in this offense, specifically who is doing what when he has his back to the basket. But it is also the reality of the situation he is lucky if he has practiced with TA once in his life. This team probably hasn't had 5 practices during the actual season.
User avatar
theman
RealGM
Posts: 13,541
And1: 1,432
Joined: May 23, 2001

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#28 » by theman » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:03 pm

sully00 wrote:There is no way this team can win a championship without Wallace shooting 3's. It is a basic fact of NBA basketball rebounding and 3pt shooting are essential. We only have 4 guys shooting 3's right now and both the team's percentage and makes are down and we aren't dominant enough on the glass to overcome that. We need to get to 36-37% with more makes and we aren't going to get there by shooting them less.


Unfortunately, those two are inversely proportional. The more three pointers you take the few rebounds (specifically offensive rebounds) you team will grab and the more (defensive) rebounds your opponent will grab.
'At the beginning of a dynasty, taxation yields large revenues from small assessments. At the end of a dynasty, taxation yields small revenues from large assessments'. - Ibn Khaldun
User avatar
Cyclical
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,766
And1: 3,397
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
     

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#29 » by Cyclical » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:28 pm

Ugh. Still defending Wallace's 3-point barrages are we? Is there anything then this guy does wrong? You'd think I'm reading about a combination of Tim Duncan and Glen Rice who may have just been on a shooting slump.

Rasheed chucks too many balls from 3 and doesn't go into the post often enough. You only need a pair of eyes to see it.

He takes the most 3's on the team - 191 in 39 games. That should NOT happen unless you're a dead-eye shooter. He's not. The flow of the offense is often disrupted due to these dumb decisions. If you're that inconsistent at something you should maybe rethink your options. Rasheed hurt the Pistons over the last 2 years with this as well.

Is he valuable to this team? Of course he is. That's why it's so frustrating.
sully00
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 28,105
And1: 7,738
Joined: Jan 08, 2004
Location: Providence, RI
       

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#30 » by sully00 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:34 pm

theman wrote:
sully00 wrote:There is no way this team can win a championship without Wallace shooting 3's. It is a basic fact of NBA basketball rebounding and 3pt shooting are essential. We only have 4 guys shooting 3's right now and both the team's percentage and makes are down and we aren't dominant enough on the glass to overcome that. We need to get to 36-37% with more makes and we aren't going to get there by shooting them less.


Unfortunately, those two are inversely proportional. The more three pointers you take the few rebounds (specifically offensive rebounds) you team will grab and the more (defensive) rebounds your opponent will grab.


Offensive rebounds aren't that important, we have gone from 8th, to 3rd to 16th in offensive rebounding % allowed that is the number that matters. Boston has attempted 19, 16, 18.5 3's a game over the last 3 years.
sully00
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 28,105
And1: 7,738
Joined: Jan 08, 2004
Location: Providence, RI
       

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#31 » by sully00 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:45 pm

Cyclical wrote:Ugh. Still defending Wallace's 3-point barrages are we? Is there anything then this guy does wrong? You'd think I'm reading about a combination of Tim Duncan and Glen Rice who may have just been on a shooting slump.

Rasheed chucks too many balls from 3 and doesn't go into the post often enough. You only need a pair of eyes to see it.

He takes the most 3's on the team - 191 in 39 games. That should NOT happen unless you're a dead-eye shooter. He's not. The flow of the offense is often disrupted due to these dumb decisions. If you're that inconsistent at something you should maybe rethink your options. Rasheed hurt the Pistons over the last 2 years with this as well.

Is he valuable to this team? Of course he is. That's why it's so frustrating.


You can't win without 3 pt shooting. You are not going to be able to beat ORL, CLE, LAL, even ATL trying to match 2's for 3's. Love it or hate it we brought the guy here to shoot 3's Boston is currently 3rd in the NBA eFG% behind PHX and CLE and right in front of ORL. It is not about shooting less 3's it is about him making more, just like Eddie, Ray, and Paul we don't have anyone else to do it in the rotation. Wallace just needs to make 35% of them.
User avatar
Cyclical
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,766
And1: 3,397
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
     

Re: Should Rasheed Wallace shoot less 3's? 

Post#32 » by Cyclical » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:37 pm

^
I disagree Sully.
a) It's about taking GOOD 3's.
b) We brought him here for defense, length, post play and 3's. Not just for 3's.

Stretching the floor is huge but it depends how you work it in to your offensive game. Some of his choices are flat out wrong. A change will help the team.

Return to Boston Celtics