Steve Nash

[Fo-Real]

EC will never be that missing piece we need. That's what I'm saying. He's never going to be a starter. He'll be a role player, off the bench, 10mpg or 15mpg -- at most. Never will average 7 or 8 ppg.

You are obviously much smarter than a lot of NBA scouts, and the B Ball people around the league. I trust your evaluation of our new rookie, I mean im sure you have been at all the practices and pickup games he has ever been at, and have seen he is absolute garbage. Hunter... You are right, i didnt know you had done all of this homework, we should get rid of this joker. Who do you think we should draft next year EXPERT!!! YOU.......KNOW.......NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! NOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A DAMN THING!!!!!!!!! NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!!!!!!!! pick up your little stat book and put it somewhere you probably like!!!!!

[hunterxaz]

All I know is what I see the guy doing. But that's all that matters. We're trying to win now. Now 3 years from now when he's finally "developed" (We may be trying to win then too, but I'm just saying we're built for now.)

[Fo-Real]

Win what?? We are not built to win championship now. If you mean win to get into the playoffs, that aint worth it.

[sunfire0112]

Lol @ hunter hijacking this thread w/ his EC hate.

Back to the OT:

If Amare is traded (looks like 90% chance now), we should probably trade Nash too. Problem is Nash keeps us somewhat relevant vying for a playoff spot and puts butts in the seats. Yet again, only way we move Nash is if he okay's a trade to a contender or somewhere like NY/TOR. Personally, I would try to trade Nash while his value is high but there's a better chance of Rolo grabbing 20 boards or Dragic getting a triple double than us trading Nash this season.

[hunterxaz]

I don't hate EC. I just don't like him playing. He'll be an average bench player somewhere, just not worth our time to develop him here.

PS: Playoffs mean a lot. Only 16 teams get there. 8 from each conference. Everyone knows you play harder in the playoffs anyway, I think the Suns can make a run if we trade J-Rich and EC.

[sunfire0112]

I don't hate EC. I just don't like him playing. He'll be an average bench player somewhere, just not worth our time to develop him here.

PS: Playoffs mean a lot. Only 16 teams get there. 8 from each conference. Everyone knows you play harder in the playoffs anyway, I think the Suns can make a run if we trade J-Rich and EC.

Fair Enough.

About the playoffs. Don't know the exact number but I believe every playoff game can net $3-4mil. So, that's like $6mil incentive for Sarver, assuming we're one and done. True that our team would play harder in the playoffs, but so would everyone else. I'm not sure we have the fire-power to make a 2007GS-like run.

[grumpysaddle]

[Fo-Real]

????? that bouncing thing is making me antsy again

[JohnVancouver]

It comes from his stats... if he was such a natural talent he'd be showing it via stats... end of argument.

Go argue about baseball and state you stats all you want. Seriously that is like the only sport in which you can base an argument like this on stats. Yes stats do matter to an extent, but there are so many other factors that play into this. First off he's a rookie who is just starting to see some real minutes. It takes a while to build confidence playing in the NBA. Another thing you need to look at are their physical tools, which he has. We got him knowing that he was going to take some time to develop into a good/potentially great player. An no other fan in his right mind thinks that the reason for their team's struggles is because of the rookie who has just started playing consistent minutes. And he isn't a natural talent, he's a RAW talent. Big difference.

EDIT: Also his stats are in per game, and since he has been in some games for very short stints this makes his number look worse than they really are. Look at the games in which he has had more playing time and his stats are pretty good for a rookie.

as tsherkin pointed out, the stats actually support Clark being a positive factor - we win more games with him in than we lose.
Now, is that because he got in the game because we were cruising to a victory? Maybe.
All I know is stats can be incorrectly applied to bolster almost any argument. Trained statisticians can negotiate the obstacles and pally them fairly, most of us can't.

The there are stats that i just have a bad feeling about - like PER. Does it account for who's on the floor with you? Does Dragic get less assists when he's playing with Lou, Rolo etc?

I remember a Peanuts cartoon where Lucy is reeling stats off and Charlie Brown says, Tell your statistics to shut up.

I can buy that

[dcoop]

I neither like nor dislike EC, but I dont think you get rid of a rookie in the first year who possibly has upside. NO ONE can say what kind of player he will turn out to be if he averaged decent minutes and what kind of things he may be able to add to his game. He doesnt make much so salary wise he is not hurting us. Whats the problem? Give him atleast til his 2nd or 3rd year to develop a little.

We have lost 7 of our last 9 games and people want at EC. Are you even watching the games?

Playing 5-10 minutes a game we are not expecting a super star out of him.

[JohnVancouver]

I neither like nor dislike EC, but I dont think you get rid of a rookie in the first year who possibly has upside. NO ONE can say what kind of player he will turn out to be if he averaged decent minutes and what kind of things he may be able to add to his game. He doesnt make much so salary wise he is not hurting us. Whats the problem? Give him atleast til his 2nd or 3rd year to develop a little.

We have lost 7 of our last 9 games and people want at EC. Are you even watching the games?

Playing 5-10 minutes a game we are not expecting a super star out of him.

Kerr said on the radio that "we made Earl earn his playing time" and so I would take that to mean that's why we're seeing the kid get time now, because he's showing effort in practice. Given how wrong i was about RoLo and, to some extent, White Jesus, I'm ready to give EC until at least this time next year to make any judgement.
How the hell could we possibly have any idea at all of what he's capable of at this point?

[grumpysaddle]

I neither like nor dislike EC, but I dont think you get rid of a rookie in the first year who possibly has upside. NO ONE can say what kind of player he will turn out to be if he averaged decent minutes and what kind of things he may be able to add to his game. He doesnt make much so salary wise he is not hurting us. Whats the problem? Give him atleast til his 2nd or 3rd year to develop a little.

We have lost 7 of our last 9 games and people want at EC. Are you even watching the games?

Playing 5-10 minutes a game we are not expecting a super star out of him.

I'm pretty sure its only one "person" that is against keeping EC around. I put "person" in quotes because I have trouble believing someone that idiotic can actually use a keyboard.