Hamilton to be traded by offseason

[hairybyrd]

i think philly can get a lot more for iggy and dalembert than ray and glen, even if they do save money. I have a feeling philly is going to make a late playoff run, you'll see

I love Iggy's game and PHI needs/wants to make a change but they've only been offered T-Mac and no one else which to me suggests Iggy is a little overrated. I'm not saying they can't get more but Ray Allen (right now and assuming they wouldn't buy him out) is a better deal for the Sixers. Ray, unlike T-Mac, is a team guy and has played consistently well this year. You're right, though, Sixers wouldn't be smart to do this trade. It all really depends on how much they need to save $ if they make a panic trade like this but I think PHI will try to do something big even if they lose on the talent side.

[hairybyrd]

With a possible lockout and reduced cap coming soon, it would be financial suicide to take on a contract like Rip's for a player of his caliber.

I agree. The Celtics won't touch Hamilton's contract regardless of how well he would fit the team. Also, adding Hamilton probably means giving up Ray either to get Hamilton or at the end of the year to shred luxury tax dollars. Hamilton for 3 years @ $13 per or Ray for half that amount? Seems like an easy decision to me.

[bstein14]

Ainge and Dumars have a fairly good relationship... Ainge actually helped Dumars get that title in 04 by making the Sheed trade happen.

I'd say the most likely places RIP could wind up if traded this season would be Boston, Cleveland, Denver or Utah.

If Boston were to trade Ray for Rip, Dumars would have no problem buying out Allen. That's exactly what Ainge agreed to do for Dumars back in 04 so that he could get Lindsay Hunter back. Allen won't be a part of Detroit's plans this year with Ben Gordon already there.

Cleveland has Big Z's large expiring, and Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is a huge Pistons fan. He was the Pistons sponsor (Quicken Loans) during the championship run. As far as Denver goes, the appeal would be to pair Billups with his former running mate, and JR Smith's problem's mean they could be willing to move him. Utah still has a glut of F's and only real weakness is SG. Rip would fit in well in their system.

[Banks2Pierce]

With a possible lockout and reduced cap coming soon, it would be financial suicide to take on a contract like Rip's for a player of his caliber.

Agreed. That 14 m when he is 35...

And it seems like the owners will get their way with this new collective bargaining agreement. I don't expect salaries to keep rising.

Detroit will have a lottttt of issues trying to unload Rip, imo.

[Piston Pete]

One big key that nobody's hit on yet....Maxiell has Dwight's number defensively. For whatever reason, Maxiell is a LOCK-DOWN defender up against Dwight. Frustrates the heck out of him.

Yeah, you'd be getting Rip/Prince - they're no brainers. But Maxiell vs Dwight might be what pushed Ainge over the top to make this deal.

Maxiell is a big reason why we have beaten the Magic 4 times in a row.....AND 17 OF OUR LAST 21 AGAINST THEM.

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

One big key that nobody's hit on yet....Maxiell has Dwight's number defensively.

So do Perk (especially Perk, who shuts down Dwight often) and Sheed (Not so much as of late). We have no need of Maxi. I also have to question Maxi's credentials as a Dwight stopper. You've played two games against the Magic this year. In the first Dwight had 8 points (likely a result of fouling out after 17 mins) but Maxi didn't even play in that game. In the second when Maxi did go head to head against him, Dwight put up 22 points in a Magic win, that's no shutdown. I see no evidence of Maxi shutting down Dwight at all. Sheed was the one that would stop Dwight in all those playoff series.

Maxiell is a big reason why we have beaten the Magic 4 times in a row.....

You haven't beaten them 4 times in a row. You haven't even down it once in a row. You lost your last game to them, 110-103.


The only way I'm interested in Rip/Prince for Ray is if the Pistons throw in their pick (top 3 protected).

[celticfan42487]

One big key that nobody's hit on yet....Maxiell has Dwight's number defensively. For whatever reason, Maxiell is a LOCK-DOWN defender up against Dwight. Frustrates the heck out of him.

Yeah, you'd be getting Rip/Prince - they're no brainers. But Maxiell vs Dwight might be what pushed Ainge over the top to make this deal.

Maxiell is a big reason why we have beaten the Magic 4 times in a row.....AND 17 OF OUR LAST 21 AGAINST THEM.

I thought that was Sheed that was the lockdown defender against Dwight for DET. Or that's what I've been hearing from ORL.

Also, Perk is a lock down defender for Dwight.

Of all the teams in the NBA, that's the most useless addition for the Celtics. Everyone knows how inconsistent Maxiell is.



What this team needs is a huge shakeup. Something like a Ray Allen for Shawn Marion. But of course Marion makes 1/3 of what Ray Allen makes. But someone like Marion is what this team needs, athleticism, energy, rebounding. But we're full at the bigs spot with KG, Perk, Sheed.

[threrf23]

I like Ray more than Rip, even as far as the future is concerned. Even health-wise. Rip is at an age where a lot of perimeter oriented players see themselves face meaningful injury issues and only a certain percentage really make it past the barrier and maintain themselves as relatively consistent contributors. Ray's made it past the 31/32 yr old barrier. Rip is unproven there, and he's also a system player who was perenially overrated by playing in a system that was perfect for him.

I don't care too much for Stuckey, he's not an outside shooter not an overly efficient scorer not a big assist man and his leadership skills if they exist have yet to help the Pistons become a real good team. Maybe I'm wrong though, I haven't watched him too often and his +/- is nice. Dumars probably isn't giving him up anyways.

Prince would be a great pick-up. Not sure how that would happen.

Remember when that Ray/Rondo for Prince/Rip/Stuckey deal was rumored, and supposedly laughed at by Detroit's front office? Because I have faith in DA, I assume he never had any intention of approving that deal, even if he was testing waters for whatever reason...

[princeofpalace]

With a possible lockout and reduced cap coming soon, it would be financial suicide to take on a contract like Rip's for a player of his caliber.

Agreed. That 14 m when he is 35...

And it seems like the owners will get their way with this new collective bargaining agreement. I don't expect salaries to keep rising.

Detroit will have a lottttt of issues trying to unload Rip, imo.

Why are you making up figures?

Rip will make 12.5 mil in his final year of his deal but it is only guaranteed for 9

As for Rip being a system player then how do you explain his success under multiple different coaches who each ran different offenses?

[Kyrama]

Ray, Scal, JR for Rip, Prince, Stuckey works.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yle8g9s

Rip has an ugly contract, but he's pretty similar to Ray. Prince would surely be a help backing up Pierce, and Stuckey can backup up both the 1 and 2. Has zero chance of happening, but fun to play around anyway. They get cap relief and we get immediate help. The cost to them for the cap relief is giving up Stuckey.

I don't see this happening.

[HMFFL]

he is overpaid and will be so for 3.5 more years.

Keep in mind the final year of his contract is only partially guaranteed.

Detroit will most likely want to move more players with the latest news that the team is for sale. Ms. Davidson appears to be trying to move many of the families assets since her husband passed away.

[Al n' Perk No Layups!]

he is overpaid and will be so for 3.5 more years.

Keep in mind the final year of his contract is only partially guaranteed.

The last year of his deal is guarenteed for 9 mil. For all intents and purposes that's a full guarentee since we're not gonna cut a guy that will still cost us nine mil.