Officlal Prospect thread

Krapinsky · Post #801 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:39 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:Cousins>Favors and Wall.

Not so pretty in the 2nd half, huh?

hotshotschamp · Post #802 » by **hotshotschamp** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:50 pm

Cousins 2nd half is fine. Made some nice passes. They are doubling him, and he found the open patterson for an easy jam.

Also got another and 1 chance in the 2nd half, and also shot the foul shot on the technical.

Kid is a big time player. If he keeps his head together, he'll be special.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #803 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:59 pm

Patterson's raining it in from 3 today. Could he become an athletic version of Gomes? I haven't seen a whole lot of him, just a few games here and there.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #804 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:01 pm

hotshotschamp wrote:Cousins 2nd half is fine. Made some nice passes. They are doubling him, and he found the open patterson for an easy jam.

Also got another and 1 chance in the 2nd half, and also shot the foul shot on the technical.

Kid is a big time player. If he keeps his head together, he'll be special.

as if on cue, Cousins lets his emotions get the better of him again.

Krapinsky · Post #805 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:02 pm

And just got T'd up...

He's too risky. I don't want any part of him. He's Zach Randolph -- he'll have his head on straight when he's 28.

hotshotschamp · Post #806 » by **hotshotschamp** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:05 pm

Yes he certainly needs work on his mental game. By all reports he's a good dude, cal loves him has him over to his house all the time. Say's he's a big kid.

He just needs to control his on court issues.

I wouldn't take him in the top 4 ( monstly due to other players i like more ) however outside of that I'd forsure take him, he's too talented not to take from 5-7 range. Also he's an 18 year old kid, not every 18 yr old kid is mature beyond his years and does well with authority.

Make sure you have positive veterans around him and a good coaching staff and you should be alright. Can't say Randolph was a great fit with Rasheed wallace and the jailblazer crew there in Portland.

His talent speaks for itself though.

shangrila · Post #807 » by **shangrila** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:11 pm

Klomp wrote:
shangrila wrote:^So do we want 2 Kevin Loves?

Hasn't Love been called our best player here by some posters...?

Yes, but he's more of an all-round player. Without someone who can score consistently or has some sort of go to move down low the team would need one hell of a scorer on the wings.

Krapinsky · Post #808 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:13 pm

I'll still take Aldrich over Cousins. Maybe Whiteside too, if he goes pro.

Udoh, more like Ughdoh today. 0-10, 1 pt, 6 rebounds

My boy Damion James -- another 16 and 19 with 3 steals. Who's the one that said he couldn't rebound again?

Krapinsky · Post #809 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:21 pm

Ha, spoke too soon. Udoh taking over in OT.

Post #810 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:48 am

FYI Cousins is nuts and you will see him slip on draft day. Teams are scared off by his mental make-up.

Aldrich is higher on boards then we would guess. Okafor is a good comparison. Get over the "white" stereotype and see that this guy will be a difference maker. If he was available with the char pick I would be shocked. I expect him to be a 5-10 range guy. Could go ahead of Favors. (You could write almost the same thing about Monroe. Fans are obsessed with athletic ability, but teams see the crazy BBIQ and skills)

I have heard good things about Udoh, but how much of his skills will translate.

Wall and Evans are so far above every other prospect right now it is not funny. There is good depth afterwards and pending a trade we should be able to get a stud with our pick and a rotation guy with the char pick.

the_bruce · Post #811 » by **the_bruce** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:29 am

I think monroe goes top 5. He's without a doubt the most skilled big man in the draft and still has tons of potential to tap into. High BB IQ to boot. There's no way he goes past 10. I see cousins in the 8-15 range.

tier 1:
wall
turner

tier 2:
johnson
monroe
davis
favors

tier 3:
aldrich
cousins
aminu
robinson

tier 4:
henry
patterson
warren
harris

tier 5:
Varnado
Udoh

tier 6:
everyone else

Post #812 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:42 am

I am not sure you need 5 tiers. We have potentially 3 first rd picks and the 2nd rd. It would be best to divide the tiers by that method.

shangrila · Post #813 » by **shangrila** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:20 am

Don't we have like 3 2nd rounders but not our own? I know we probably wouldn't keep them but they could be a nice, cheap way to fill out the roster. Someone like Aubrey Coleman or Manny Harris.

As for that Greg Monroe comment I have to disagree. There's no chance he goes top 5 and even top 10 is a stretch. He can be as skilled as he wants but with his really bad physical tools the guy basically has no upside. Nobody is going to spend a lottery pick on him. If he comes out he'll go to a playoff team, play 10-20 minutes off the bench and be in his perfect role. I personally wouldn't mind seeing him here since he seems made for the triangle, but with the lack of athleticism on the roster as is it's tough to justify picking him.

Post #814 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:33 pm

big3_8_19_21 wrote:Patterson's raining it in from 3 today. Could he become an athletic version of Gomes? I haven't seen a whole lot of him, just a few games here and there.

Patterson's a pure 4. I like him a lot, he's a good shooter and a great finisher but he's probably going to be weak on defense. He'd be a nice player if we wanted to build around Rubio and he'd be a great value at the Charlotte pick. The problem is he doesn't work at all with Jefferson and Love.

Foye · Post #815 » by **Foye** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:20 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
big3_8_19_21 wrote:Patterson's raining it in from 3 today. Could he become an athletic version of Gomes? I haven't seen a whole lot of him, just a few games here and there.

Patterson's a pure 4. I like him a lot, he's a good shooter and a great finisher but he's probably going to be weak on defense. He'd be a nice player if we wanted to build around Rubio and he'd be a great value at the Charlotte pick. The problem is he doesn't work at all with Jefferson and Love.

I agree. Patterson shouldn't be on our radar. Even if he is BPA with the Charlotte or Utah picks....

Casperkid23 · Post #816 » by **Casperkid23** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:48 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
big3_8_19_21 wrote:Patterson's raining it in from 3 today. Could he become an athletic version of Gomes? I haven't seen a whole lot of him, just a few games here and there.

Patterson's a pure 4. I like him a lot, he's a good shooter and a great finisher but he's probably going to be weak on defense. He'd be a nice player if we wanted to build around Rubio and he'd be a great value at the Charlotte pick. The problem is he doesn't work at all with Jefferson and Love.

Patterson could slide to the 3 just as easily as Gomes. He's certainly more powerfully built, but he has just as much lateral quickness and is a more explosive athlete than Gomes. Weak on defense? Probably is going to be below average once he enters the NBA, but right now at KU he's proving to be a better defender than most had thought - giving them more in that area than Cousins.

I don't like him for the Timberwolves either, and unless he works on his perimeter game more (like Gomes did once he entered the NBA) he likely would only be able to see very limited number of minutes at SF, but nonetheless he has combo forward potential. Could be nice value in the mid-first.

Krapinsky · Post #817 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:13 pm

I agree with Worm on this one. Patterson can definitely not play the 3.

Post #818 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:14 pm

Casperkid23 wrote:Patterson could slide to the 3 just as easily as Gomes.

I just think Patterson's skillset clearly favors him to be a 4. I guess he could be forced out of position to fill a team need like Gomes, but I think Patterson is a much better 4 than Gomes.

Casperkid23 · Post #819 » by **Casperkid23** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:32 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Casperkid23 wrote:Patterson could slide to the 3 just as easily as Gomes.

I just think Patterson's skillset clearly favors him to be a 4. I guess he could be forced out of position to fill a team need like Gomes, but I think Patterson is a much better 4 than Gomes.

We're going to have to disagree a little bit then. For one telling stat, out of all the guys I track on my quality opponent stat tracker, Patterson has the worst Reb/36 numbers out of all the SFs, PFs, and Cs (26 players - so no Turner/George/Anderson who are seen as SG/SFs). Playing next to a brutish Cousins likely has something to do with it, but even when Cousins is off the floor he's not cleaning the glass at a high rate.

As far as playstyle, yes, he needs another player to create for him, otherwise he lives off garbage buckets, which makes him appear more like a PF - but I really am not seeing him being starting PF material in the NBA given his lack of height and his strength advantage will all but disappear in the NBA, and his potential defensive issues will be more glaring against the bigger/longer players in the NBA. So for him to get the maximum amount of minutes, he, like Gomes, is going to have to keep tweaking his game so he can see the floor. That's one of the main reasons why I think he added the 3pt shot to his game this year.

Right now is he more of a PF in the NBA? Yes, but he only projects as a bench player in the spot otherwise he'd be a big weak point. Maybe he can pull a David West and shock the world - but David West played bigger than Patterson and he could, to an extent, create for himself thus creating mismatches on offense from the PF spot. I think by giving a team minutes at SF, Patterson can become much more of a mismatch problem on offense and defensively he's got the tools to maybe become adequate.

horaceworthy · Post #820 » by **horaceworthy** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:35 pm

revprodeji wrote:FYI Cousins is nuts and you will see him slip on draft day. Teams are scared off by his mental make-up.

How far are you talking about? Bobcats pick far? I think if UK goes to the Final 4/title game, Cousins keeps up his production, and doesn't have a meltdown in the process, he'll go around top 5. It only takes one GM, he's looking to be coachable, and his package of skill/size/quick feet/coordination is special.

Aldrich is higher on boards then we would guess. Okafor is a good comparison. Get over the "white" stereotype and see that this guy will be a difference maker. If he was available with the char pick I would be shocked. I expect him to be a 5-10 range guy. Could go ahead of Favors. (You could write almost the same thing about Monroe. Fans are obsessed with athletic ability, but teams see the crazy BBIQ and skills)

At the risk (but not with the intent) of singling you out, I think it's funny that the rule seems to be that every time a white player is compared to a black player, it has to be prefaced with "Get over the white stereotype," a tongue-in-cheek "I know we're not supposed to do this, but," or something along those lines. Aren't we supposed to be living in a post-racial America?

I think you overrreacted a bit with the Ostertag guy from the draft board. He's a Jazz fan that probably grew up looking at Ostertag through rose colored glasses. Reading his description of Aldrich's game, it didn't sound much like Ostertag's at all. I think you mistook homerism as racism.

That being said, I still think Bogut's a better comparison for Aldrich (that's a good thing, I see Bogut as a bigger difference maker than Okafor, although I think Aldrich has a chance to be better than either of them). Okafor has quicker hands and feet, doesn't look as frenetic under the basket. Aldrich is more skilled, does a better job dealing with double teams, and his ability to knock down freebies/step out and hit the mid-range jumper is similar to Bogut's coming out of Utah. I think Aldrich might measure bigger in the wingspan/standing reach department than either, and has a better shot at refining his low block game than either. I see him as a borderline All-Star type that plays well with others. If Cousins really is batcrap crazy, Aldrich is #3 on my board (might be even if Cousins isn't).