Jazz/GSW Trade Idea

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Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#1 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:33 pm

I was for trading Boozer at beginning of the year than against because of the way he has played and now maybe willing to trade Boozer again bc of Millsap's play and Boozer's injury which is a yearly annoying thing. I also dont think the Jazz resign him either when you already have Millsap at a cheaper price.

GSW looking to dump salary so I think they do it as long as the NYK pick included!

Jazz get Biedrens, Maggette, & Randolph
GSW get Boozer, Korver, Brewer & NYK pick

Jazz Lineup:

PG WIlliams Price Gaines
SG Mathews Maggette CJ
C Memo Biedrens Fess Kosta
PF Millsap Ak-47 Randolph Memo
SF AK-47 Maggette CJ

I think Biedrens and Maggette come off the bench this year until they learn the offense. Randolph has tons of talent and could be the gem in this deal. Maggette wants to play for the Jazz and gets to the free throw line alot. I think the Jazz would be a better team this year and in the future.

Downside to trade would be the Jazz lose out on a lottery pick like Cole Aldrich. The Jazz would have alot of long term contracts so this would not be players in the free agent market but the Jazz have rarely done that anyway. If luxury tax becomes a problem in the future then the Jazz can trade away Memo or even AK-47 depending on how well they are playing.

GSW shed salary and can try to sign someone like Bosh to play alongside Boozer whom they would resign. They would also have 2 lottery picks where they have a better chance to get Wall.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#2 » by seejaydeja » Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:36 pm

take out brewer and the pick and add miles plz
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Post#3 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:42 pm

seejaydeja wrote:take out brewer and the pick and add miles plz


GSW exchange Miles for Brewer no problem, but the pick necessary for GSW to do deal. In essence, Randolph becomes the NYK pick so not that bad of a replacement therefore.
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Post#4 » by drivewayball » Tue Feb 2, 2010 6:43 pm

Please explain how this deal could possibly work for the Jazz from a payroll pespective, both in terms of the salary cap this year and next.
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Post#5 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:23 pm

drivewayball wrote:Please explain how this deal could possibly work for the Jazz from a payroll pespective, both in terms of the salary cap this year and next.


The trade can be adjusted to add Korver so the Jazz save luxury tax this year. In the off season, Memo can be traded away as big men with a somewhat reaosnable contract have value in the trade market.

I think the real question is do you break up a chemistry of a team playing really well. I say yes if you want to tweek the team to matchup with the Lakers in the playoffs. I say no, if your goal is to just make the playoffs, save money, and never win a championship.
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Post#6 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:37 pm

Jazz get Biedrens, Maggette, & Randolph who make $19,775,491

GSW get Boozer, Korver, & Miles who make $21,187,536

Jazz also trade to GSW NYK pick which they will not have to pay. Memo gets traded in off season in a salary dump for future picks. It works financially as well as on the court as the Jazz would mathup better with the Lakers.
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Post#7 » by seejaydeja » Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:39 pm

Yeah, since Maggette and Biedrins are really gonna make us a contender amongst the elite of the nba :lol:
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Post#8 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:58 pm

seejaydeja wrote:Yeah, since Maggette and Biedrins are really gonna make us a contender amongst the elite of the nba :lol:


In my opinion yes and in your opinion no. The key to the trade is Biedrens can mathup with Gasol and Bynum and maggette gives the Jazz a very good bench scorer. As for the future, Randolph can be an allstar!!

Easy to critcize but you make no suggestions on what the Jazz should do? You think just keep team together, lose to Lakers in the playoffs, let Boozer leave in off season, and draft ALdrich is better for the Jazz future? I dont!
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Post#9 » by TheDB2 » Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:10 pm

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seejaydeja wrote:Yeah, since Maggette and Biedrins are really gonna make us a contender amongst the elite of the nba :lol:


In my opinion yes and in your opinion no. The key to the trade is Biedrens can mathup with Gasol and Bynum and maggette gives the Jazz a very good bench scorer. As for the future, Randolph can be an allstar!!

Easy to critcize but you make no suggestions on what the Jazz should do? You think just keep team together, lose to Lakers in the playoffs, let Boozer leave in off season, and draft ALdrich is better for the Jazz future? I dont!


First off, Jazz are most likely gonna lose to the Lakers regardless, and this trade in no way make it closer. Anyhow . . . Why don't you think thats a better option? I never thought of it but now in the context you are laying out I know I would much rather have Aldrich than Biedrins. Aldrich can ball on the defense side just as well as Bied, but has a way better offensive game. And so then try to resign Boozer if you can and if you cant just go this route. Then you just might be able to keep Booze if things fall right and still get Aldrich. Now that is way better than just Biedrins. And no thanks to Maggette. I'll take my chances with Wesley Mathews putting up good enough all around stats at a twentieth the price as a better option than Maggette, who just scores and makes star money but never can help his team win. Now Randolph I would like but I would only do that for Memo if we were able to resign Boozer and then draft Aldrich.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#10 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:29 pm

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seejaydeja wrote:Yeah, since Maggette and Biedrins are really gonna make us a contender amongst the elite of the nba :lol:


In my opinion yes and in your opinion no. The key to the trade is Biedrens can mathup with Gasol and Bynum and maggette gives the Jazz a very good bench scorer. As for the future, Randolph can be an allstar!!

Easy to critcize but you make no suggestions on what the Jazz should do? You think just keep team together, lose to Lakers in the playoffs, let Boozer leave in off season, and draft ALdrich is better for the Jazz future? I dont!


First off, Jazz are most likely gonna lose to the Lakers regardless, and this trade in no way make it closer. Anyhow . . . Why don't you think thats a better option? I never thought of it but now in the context you are laying out I know I would much rather have Aldrich than Biedrins. Aldrich can ball on the defense side just as well as Bied, but has a way better offensive game. And so then try to resign Boozer if you can and if you cant just go this route. Then you just might be able to keep Booze if things fall right and still get Aldrich. Now that is way better than just Biedrins. And no thanks to Maggette. I'll take my chances with Wesley Mathews putting up good enough all around stats at a twentieth the price as a better option than Maggette, who just scores and makes star money but never can help his team win. Now Randolph I would like but I would only do that for Memo if we were able to resign Boozer and then draft Aldrich.
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Post#11 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:32 pm

BOOZER IS GONE!!! MILLSAP THE JAZZ STARTING PF NEXT YEAR. SIMPLE AS THAT.
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Post#12 » by DelaneyRudd » Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:37 pm

But until then he is a valuable contributer.
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Post#13 » by HolyToledo » Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:03 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:But until then he is a valuable contributer.


Championship teams make trade deadline deals that make them better. KOC do your job!!!
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#14 » by DelaneyRudd » Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:20 pm

No, rebuilding teams trade away all stars for prospects at the trade deadline.
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Post#15 » by hoops4life » Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:14 am

I could be wrong, I will let the burden of proof fall on your shoulders... I can't think of more than 1 example of a contending team making a blockbuster trade or trading one of their top 3 players and becoming a much better team that wins the championship.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#16 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:48 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:No, rebuilding teams trade away all stars for prospects at the trade deadline.


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HT: at the trade deadline, you're either a buyer or a seller. I think every team in spots 1-4 in the playoffs should be a buyer, which means you look to make short-term moves to better your chances in the playoffs that year. The way the Jazz played through December it was looking like they'd be sellers but I think that mindset has changed.

As hoop4life said, teams in spots 1-4 don't trade away starters, certainly not someone of Boozer's caliber.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#17 » by HolyToledo » Wed Feb 3, 2010 2:02 am

I dont necessarily require Boozer to be traded. The Jazz need a player that matches up better versus the Lakers height. The Jazz could also use some veteran leadership on this team. I would be happy with a small trade such as

Korver/Miles/NYK pick for Camby/LAC #1 pick 2011

LAC get a try of winning lottery and getting Wall along with young talented Miles while Jazz get length to helo versus Gasol/Bynum

Doing nothing would be a mistake, expecially when you have Korver's expiring contract who has lost his spot in the rotation.
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Post#18 » by DelaneyRudd » Wed Feb 3, 2010 2:15 am

That's not a small trade. Any trade with the New York pick is a major trade. That's the kind of trade that puts James Worthy in Los Angeles instead of Cleveland.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#19 » by Sloanfeld » Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:49 am

All Toledo needs to see from Millsap is two strong games at home against teams who we've dominated there the last four seasons. Damn dude, you're such an annoying flip-flopper.
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Re: Jazz/GSW Trade Idea 

Post#20 » by TheDB2 » Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:12 pm

HolyToledo wrote:BOOZER IS GONE!!! MILLSAP THE JAZZ STARTING PF NEXT YEAR. SIMPLE AS THAT.


Boozer is gone because you wont him to be gone or why? What makes you so positive its not Utah that offers him the most money and therefore gets him to stay?

With the CBA agreement looming and owners desires to not take on big contracts not knowing what the new agreement will entail there is no telling what market is out there for Boozer right now. No way in hell anybody gives him the max he wants. No owner or GM is taking that on right now.

So who is to say that the Jazz come with an offer of 3 or 4 years at $12 million per (which is most likely what he can expect from any other organization)?

Unless someone like Miami comes with an offer similar I really see him as staying if Utah makes a competitive offer.

You are a Boozer hater and just want him gone no matter what it takes. Sometimes I wish the Jazz would trade him and then totally suck just so all you dumbass Boozer haters will shut the hell up! The Jazz are much, MUCH better with Boozer than without him in any scenario and anybody that thinks differently just wants to hate Boozer with no basis for it.

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