Our small expiring contracts Vs. trading for good player!

[klemen4]

We have 9 expiring contract, yes 9! contracts...and with financial situation this season they are worth a lot. Still if we dont trade Ray Allen we have a pieces to get a real good player on longer contract.

Lets see our expiring contracts:
* I wont write down Glen Davis contract of 3 mio, because it is only worth 1,5 mio in trading because of the BYC and expecting a 2 for 1, 3 for 2 trade we must send as much salaries out to reach a higher amount of incoming player salary.


$3,413,793 Brian Scalabrine
$2,862,000 Eddie House
$2,500,000 Tony Allen
$1,990,000 Marquis Daniels

$1,028,880 JR Giddens
$825,497 Shelden Williams
$736,420 Bill Walker

The best and money highest combination is Scalabrine, House and Allen.
$8,775,793

This allows us to take back a player(two players if 3 for 2 trade) in range up to $10,968,000

One trade I see that could work well is

Scalabrine, House, Allen
FOR
Maggette, Watson

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yznuz6h

We could have a bench of

CJ Watson
Daniels
Maggette
Davis
Wallace

or we could start Maggette and move Ray to bench

CJ Watson
R.Allen
Daniels
Davis
Wallace

If we would make a trade like that I would not miss House and T.Allen with Daniels back is expandable.

I will try to find more 3 for 2 even 4 for 3 scenarios which brings us very good player in a trade.

[Celts17Pride]

I honestly believe Ainge knows he can bring Ray Allen back next year in the $6-7 million range. This would allow him to take the expiring contracts and go get a player in the $5-9 million range and add it to next year's payroll. People like (Maggette, Hinrich, Salmons, Butler etc.).

This is what I think Ainge is trying to do but it's just my guess. We all will find out by Feb 18.

It fits right in with his comment that he doesn't want to do anything to hurt his chances this season. Adding a big time bench player can only help the chances this season. We'll see.

[jfs1000d]

I would do that maggette trade and throw in some future 1sts. That's the only way to get it done.

[klemen4]

Corey Maggette
$8,937,931 09/10
$9,600,000
$10,262,069
$10,924,138

Im sure expiring contracts are enough for taking back this 3 years 10 mio per Maggette contract. That is why I added CJ Watson as a swetener form GSW for BOS to make the deal.

[jmr07019]

One thing to consider when making these expiring for bench player deals is if it will impact our MLE spending next year. Obviously if we make a deal we get the player for an extra 1/2 season and the playoffs but that player would most likely be over paid. If we wait for the off-seaosn there might be better players available for the MLE than we can get back for our expirings. However by next season our championship window may or may not be closed, in which case it would make much more sense to pull the trigger ona trade.

[mwhis21]

It's great to think that adding salary is no big deal, but we have to be aware that we aren't running a fantasy league or something. This is a legit business, its not like we are the Yankees and have what seems like an infinite amount of money.

Who is to say the owners want to continue having a payroll in the high 70's low 80's? We still have to factor in a 8-10 million dollar a year contract for Perkins soon in addition to extending Pierce after next year. You figure with all costs factored in, owning the Celtics right now isn't a really lucrative business, but more of a pet interest for these guys. Sure they are making some money, but its hardly a Cash Windfall.

[Celts17Pride]

It's great to think that adding salary is no big deal, but we have to be aware that we aren't running a fantasy league or something. This is a legit business, its not like we are the Yankees and have what seems like an infinite amount of money.

Who is to say the owners want to continue having a payroll in the high 70's low 80's? We still have to factor in a 8-10 million dollar a year contract for Perkins soon in addition to extending Pierce after next year. You figure with all costs factored in, owning the Celtics right now isn't a really lucrative business, but more of a pet interest for these guys. Sure they are making some money, but its hardly a Cash Windfall.

If that is the case then what about the stupid trade Ray Allen for Iggy and Dalembert trade suggestions. Can't have it both ways.

Every Ray Allen trade I've seen suggested adds salary to next season, how is this any different?

[mwhis21]

Pretty simple. Igoudala becomes part of the rebuilding when the Big Three Era is officially closed. Wouldn't you say there is a pretty significant difference between Igoudala, Martin and Ellis as opposed to Maggette?

Rondo, Perk and Igoudala is a pretty solid foundation to build around after this year. The trades you see aren't just for next year, but for the year after and the year after and the year after. Your completely missing the point to what a lot of people are trying to say. Nobody is suggesting trade Ray just to start a complete rebuilding effort, but the understand the importance of what his contract might mean to this year and in the future. How often does a top Tier team have the opportunity to add a young, impact player mid year?

Ainge is in an ideal position. We keep Ray, we make a run for the Championship this year. We trade him for a younger impact guy and we still make a run at the Championship this year, while securing a future past the Big Three Era.

Does our squad lose much if you replace Ray with either Martin, Igoudala or Ellis? Absolutely not.

[captain green]

Yeah I think g-state and sac town ( maybe jersey/knicks/detroit/utah but thats a long shot) is are trading partners for sure.
And monta is off our list for g-state so is beidrins and curry.
And sac isn't coming off cassipi or hawes or udrih.
I'd rather incude bbd to get randolph on any g-state trade and for maggette it's a tough deal if were not incuding ray or 4 for 2 So maybe kelena and randolph and take a bad contract off there hands

bbd,t.allen scal and giddens gets us ronny turdyoff, randolph, kelena, and cj watson.
it works and gives us three more players for next year and 69 mil budget for nine player two draft pick one mle and vet min players and we got next year roster with kelena annd randolph as our eventual kg and ray replacements.
rondo/draft pick/vet min
kelena/mle/ vet min
pierce/walker/draft pick
kg/randolph/turdyoff
perk/sheed/turdyoff

[underneathtoDJ]

Captain Green-

How does that 4 for 4 deal with GS help them? The only "big" contract they move in that deal is Turiaf, and they're probably better off holding on to him until next year when he becomes an expiring contract.

Don't get me wrong, I love the deal, I just don't see any reason for GS to do it. I think we'd have to be looking at one of their big salaries like Maggette, Vlad Rad, or Ellis (doubt we could get Ellis) for us to get back guys like Randolf and Watson.

[captain green]

Captain Green-

How does that 4 for 4 deal with GS help them? The only "big" contract they move in that deal is Turiaf, and they're probably better off holding on to him until next year when he becomes an expiring contract.

Don't get me wrong, I love the deal, I just don't see any reason for GS to do it. I think we'd have to be looking at one of their big salaries like Maggette, Vlad Rad, or Ellis (doubt we could get Ellis) for us to get back guys like Randolf and Watson.

yeah I thought that too I did one better change kelena for morrow and turdyoff to rad"um"off
for bbd scal t.allen an giddens..I know it would be close to stealing but hey who knows.
Be at a cool 70 mil next year though... Cap relief and morrow and randolph are the prize. With half a years service from cj watson at the point instant better. We give 5/10 minutes to rad at the sf and reap the rewards of morrow starting next year and bulk back up minutes to randolph at pf.

Rondo 35 minutes watson or house 13 minutes
RAY 28 minutes morrow 20 minutes
pierce 28 minutes daniels 20 minutes
kg 28 minutes randolph 20 minutes
perk 30 minutes sheed 18 minutes

house or watson,rad walker and williams would be the best 11 through 14 men ever they can all play two position each(except watson) in case of injuries they could all play decent minutes except maybe walker cause doc's mean to walker for eating his b-cake last year or something stupid lol...