OT: Mike Sherman to coach Texas A&M

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #1 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:38 am

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5328187.html

COLLEGE STATION

Post #2 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:19 am

I don't see that as a fall, especially not at that kind of school. I think different people have different talents within the coaching spectrum. I don't know if Sherman will do anything good but it isn't a step down.

Ayt · Post #3 » by **Ayt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:24 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:I don't see that as a fall, especially not at that kind of school. I think different people have different talents within the coaching spectrum. I don't know if Sherman will do anything good but it isn't a step down.

From GM and HC with the most prestigious franchise in the entire NFL to a college coach is a pretty massive step down.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #4 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:05 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:I don't see that as a fall, especially not at that kind of school. I think different people have different talents within the coaching spectrum. I don't know if Sherman will do anything good but it isn't a step down.

Well they arent exactly a prestigious school. Sure they arent some Division 2 team but they arent a top flight team and dont have the history either.

Post #5 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:35 pm

I wish him well, I think he was a decent coach, lousy GM.

eagle13 · Post #6 » by **eagle13** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:05 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I wish him well, I think he was a decent coach, lousy GM.

Ditto.

brewcityboii · Post #7 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:39 pm

A Sad day for the NFL as it has lost one of it's greatest coaches

Bucks_Revenge · Post #8 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:12 pm

wow I am shock at all the cheap shots at Sherman...

Fandom · Post #9 » by **Fandom** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:32 pm

Shocked? Why?

As others have already eloquently stated, Sherman was a horrible GM and an average coach.

I never liked the hire and as far as I'm concerned, those years under the Sherman regime were wasted years - We had some talented teams during his tenure here and all we got was 4th and 26.

Mags FTW · Post #10 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:50 pm

If he didn't choke away the "4th & 26" game by
1) Going for it on 4th and Goal when he should've taken the points
2) Punting on 4th and 1 which led to yet another touchback
3) Vetoing the Donatell blitz on 4th and 26

we probably win that game and have an excellent chance at beating CAR and NE for the title, thus making Sherman one of the more fondly-remembered coaches in Packer history.

But instead, he choked that game away and provided us with great draft gems such as Fergie over Chambers, just because he was an A&M guy, and trading UP for a punter.

Fantastic. I could almost agree with the "Good coach-Bad GM" assessment, but the way he coached that Philly game just showed his total idiocy.

Post #11 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:53 pm

Being a natural contrarian I thought I'd take the position of defending Sherman a bit.

I think as a GM he's getting unfairly hammered.

He took Javon Walker and Nick Barnett in round one despite most thinking they went too high.

Dealt a 2nd rounder for Al Harris.

He found Aaron Kampman in the 5th, Corey Williams in the 6th round and Scott Wells in the 7th.

His huge misses include Ahmad Carroll, Joe Johnson and the trade up for BJ Sander.

More good than bad IMO.

Post #12 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:02 pm

Mags FTW wrote:If he didn't choke away the "4th & 26" game by
1) Going for it on 4th and Goal when he should've taken the points
2) Punting on 4th and 1 which led to yet another touchback
3) Vetoing the Donatell blitz on 4th and 26

we probably win that game and have an excellent chance at beating CAR and NE for the title, thus making Sherman one of the more fondly-remembered coaches in Packer history.

But instead, he choked that game away and provided us with great draft gems such as Fergie over Chambers, just because he was an A&M guy, and trading UP for a punter.

Fantastic. I could almost agree with the "Good coach-Bad GM" assessment, but the way he coached that Philly game just showed his total idiocy.

That was a Wolf move. The 2001 draft was Ron's last. It also included the wonderful Jamal Reynolds.

2002 (Walker) was Sherman's first.

http://www.packers.com/draft/2002/overview/

Mags FTW · Post #13 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:29 pm

^^ I knew someone would mention that, but it's been documented that Sherman campaigned HARD for him. He talked to all of his old chums at A&M and they gave their seals of approval (of course) that Fergie would be good. Wolf ultimately gave the final verdict, but it was Sherman's guy.

Post #14 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:33 pm

I'm sure plenty of coaches chime in on the guys they want to see drafted. It's up to the GM to make the best decision.

Mags FTW · Post #15 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:39 pm

DrugBust wrote:His huge misses include Ahmad Carroll, Joe Johnson and the trade up for BJ Sander.

Didn't he re-sign Clitoris Hunt as well?

Post #16 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:48 pm

Mags FTW wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Didn't he re-sign Clitoris Hunt as well?

Ah, good call.

Don't you think that as a GM he's getting hammered unfairly, though?

Ayt · Post #17 » by **Ayt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:59 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ah, good call.

Don't you think that as a GM he's getting hammered unfairly, though?

He gutted this team. Other than a few exceptions and late bloomers, our roster was a mess.

Our defense was in shambles when he got fired as a GM and we lacked depth at numerous positions. His drafting was horrendous.

Mags FTW · Post #18 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:09 pm

He hit some homeruns with Kampman, Walker, Willaims and Barnett, but when you look at his work as a whole he was pretty bad. About half of his picks are/were complete busts. The guy was pretty much hit or miss and he missed alot.

Someone over on the jsonline forums did a comparison of Sherman vs. TT in the draft:
http://www2.jsonline.com/idealbb/view.a ... sessionID={5441C99C-39A9-4722-9FC9-3F3EFB3F5F36}

I'll give Sherman credit for getting Harris, but as previously stated he also signed Joe Johnson, Clitoris, overpaid for KGB, actually resigned Ferguson, etc.

That's what really gets me upset. TT saw he made a mistake with Manuel and let his ass go, while Sherman actually gave Ferguson another contract and kept Sander on the roster.

Post #19 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:11 pm

I think his downfall as a drafter is what makes Thompson so good.

Sherman had no problems dealing up.

TT has had three drafts and made a total of 34 picks.
Sherman had three drafts and made a total of 21 picks.

If there was any problem with his drafts it was that he limited his own chances in finding talent.

Post #20 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:17 pm

Ayt wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He gutted this team.

Did he?

Only five players remain from Ron Wolf's last five, drafts '97 through '01, four coming from the '00 class. Some of those drafts were bad on an epic scale.