DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get?

gswhoopsman · Post #101 » by **gswhoopsman** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 5:02 pm

BigSlam wrote:I think that his numbers at the combine will be split very cleanly into two cats.

Amazing and laughable.

His height, wing span, reach and bench will be amazing.

His body fat, no step vert, max vert and sprint will be laughable.

Not too concerned about body fat, give him a chance to cut some weight before the combine (and hopefully get a LITTLE more explosive). Either way he doesn't look "fat/out of shape" to me, it looks more like "baby fat" (albeit a lot of it :lol:

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Yes hes a 100% below the rim player, but if he was an explosive athlete/leaper with his size skillset, he'd be the consensus #1 overall pick.

As for the original question: Its hard to come up with a good comparison. I thought maybe Kaman, but Kamans a MUCH better shotblocker and still way more athletic than Cousins....Maybe a less perimeter oriented, taller Zach Randolph?

Sid the Squid · Post #102 » by **Sid the Squid** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 8:39 pm

Both Wall and Cousins looked good to me last night. It's a 3 man draft right now as far as I can see. Turner, Cousins and Wall (I havnt seen Whiteside play yet)

Cammo101 · Post #103 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 8:43 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:Both Wall and Cousins looked good to me last night. It's a 3 man draft right now as far as I can see. Turner, Cousins and Wall (I havnt seen Whiteside play yet)

IMO the tiers currently look like this...

John Wall (6'4'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
Evan Turner (6'6'', SG, Ohio State, Jr.)

Derrick Favors (6'9'', PF, Georgia Tech, Fresh.)
Hassan Whiteside (7'0'', C, Marshall, Fresh.)
Wesley Johnson (6'7'', SF, Syracuse, Jr.)
DeMarcus Cousins (6’10’’, PF, Kentucky, Fresh.)

Al-Farouq Aminu (6’9’’, SF, Wake Forest, Soph.)
Greg Monroe (6'10'', PF, Georgetown, Soph.)
Ed Davis (6'9'', PF, North Carolina, Soph.)
Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', C, Lithuania)
Cole Aldrich (6'11'', C, Kansas, Jr.)

Sid the Squid · Post #104 » by **Sid the Squid** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 8:46 pm

Favors doesnt deserve to ranked in the same set as Cousins..It's not even close my friend.

Turner
Cousins
Wall

I'm not going any further yet because I havnt seen Whiteside play and I'm still not sure on Johnson.

Monroe would be in my top6 though.

AQuintus · Post #105 » by **AQuintus** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:17 pm

gswhoopsman wrote:than Cousins....Maybe a less perimeter oriented, taller Zach Randolph?

Basically Al Jefferson with Randolph's attitude problems.

Cammo101 · Post #106 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:55 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:Favors doesnt deserve to ranked in the same set as Cousins..It's not even close my friend.

You are aware there is more to predicting an NBA career than stats in your freshman year of college right?

Sid the Squid · Post #107 » by **Sid the Squid** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:54 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Sid the Squid wrote:Favors doesnt deserve to ranked in the same set as Cousins..It's not even close my friend.

You are aware there is more to predicting an NBA career than stats in your freshman year of college right?

WTF? Who brought up stats you goof? I'm talking hardcore scouting here. Favors has slow feet and no offensive basketball skills..

Post #108 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:23 pm

AQuintus wrote:
gswhoopsman wrote:than Cousins....Maybe a less perimeter oriented, taller Zach Randolph?

Basically Al Jefferson with Randolph's attitude problems.

Except that Jefferson has many different offensive tools that he uses to score. At this stage Cousins just uses brute strength.

I wonder how much of that he will be able to get away with in the NBA.

I also wonder if NBA shot blockers will be licking their lips when playing him and his Earth bound style.

ManualRam · Post #109 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:29 pm

BigSlam wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
gswhoopsman wrote:than Cousins....Maybe a less perimeter oriented, taller Zach Randolph?

Basically Al Jefferson with Randolph's attitude problems.

Except that Jefferson has many different offensive tools that he uses to score. At this stage Cousins just uses brute strength.

I wonder how much of that he will be able to get away with in the NBA.

I also wonder if NBA shot blockers will be licking their lips when playing him and his Earth bound style.

thats wrong. he doesnt just use brute strength. hes' got nimble feet for a guy his size and he can pull off quick moves in the post.
he also actually has some perimeter skills that he hasnt been able to flash in the college game becuz calipari only wants him in the post, but he was more of a face up player in HS.

Post #110 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:33 pm

Also, he has no counter moves in the post IMO.

hotshotschamp · Post #111 » by **hotshotschamp** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 12:22 am

I've seen Cousins more than once use nice up and under moves, ball fakes as well. He can score down low.

I'm a wolves fan..

I will tell you without question cousins plays much harder on the D side than Jefferson, a much more willing defender and will block shots at a higher rate.

Not to mention he's a good 2 inches taller than him. Jefferssis closer to 6"8 than he is 6"10

EddieJonesFan · Post #112 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 1:29 am

Lets be fair guys, Cousins totally has the ability to improve on his post moves, he has the foundation for a good post game. He's not completely polished there yet, but I'm sure neither was Jefferson after a year in the league. Also, he's a better passer than Jefferson. On the other hand though, Cousins has to improve his post moves to be a high quality offensive player because he just can't explode up towards the basket. Whenever he's being bodied up, he looks stapled to the ground and he loses his balance. He's saved by his strength and length at the college level, but that won't last at the NBA level. That's my biggest concern with him, but I'm not going to count him out because of it.

AQuintus · Post #113 » by **AQuintus** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 3:17 am

hotshotschamp wrote:Not to mention he's a good 2 inches taller than him. Jefferssis closer to 6"8 than he is 6"10

When Jefferson was officially measured in 2004, he was 6'8.5" in socks and 6'9.75" in shoes. He was only 19 at the time, so he might have grown since then.

Either way, Cousins should be taller by about an inch.

hotshotschamp · Post #114 » by **hotshotschamp** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 3:43 am

Yeah just looked at measurements Jeff was measured at 6"8 1/4. He doesn't look much more than that to me.

When I watch both players, I think cousins looks visibly taller, maybe he just has a bigger reach or something. But he clearly looks taller to me.

ManualRam · Post #115 » by **ManualRam** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:27 am

hotshotschamp wrote:Yeah just looked at measurements Jeff was measured at 6"8 1/4. He doesn't look much more than that to me.

When I watch both players, I think cousins looks visibly taller, maybe he just has a bigger reach or something. But he clearly looks taller to me.

cousins measured in at 6'10 with a 7'6 wingspan in 2008.
he's a lot bigger than al jeff.

hotshotschamp · Post #116 » by **hotshotschamp** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:53 am

ManualRam wrote:
hotshotschamp wrote:Yeah just looked at measurements Jeff was measured at 6"8 1/4. He doesn't look much more than that to me.

When I watch both players, I think cousins looks visibly taller, maybe he just has a bigger reach or something. But he clearly looks taller to me.

cousins measured in at 6'10 with a 7'6 wingspan in 2008.
he's a lot bigger than al jeff.

yeah i thought so.

Post #117 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:54 am

hotshotschamp wrote:When I watch both players, I think cousins looks visibly taller, maybe he just has a bigger reach or something. But he clearly looks taller to me.

Probably because he plays against college kids and the average heights in college are much less than in the NBA.

He does have gorilla arms though - which is just as well because he never leaves the ground.

hotshotschamp · Post #118 » by **hotshotschamp** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:15 am

BigSlam wrote:
hotshotschamp wrote:When I watch both players, I think cousins looks visibly taller, maybe he just has a bigger reach or something. But he clearly looks taller to me.

Probably because he plays against college kids and the average heights in college are much less than in the NBA.

He does have gorilla arms though - which is just as well because he never leaves the ground.

Or because he's close to 2 inches taller, with longer arms, and has a bigger body than Al Jefferson. I realize college kids aren't as tall as NBA players on average.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #119 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Thu Feb 4, 2010 1:41 pm

BigSlam wrote:
loot wrote:
BigSlam wrote:His body fat, no step vert, max vert and sprint will be laughable.

Roy Hibbert?

The 7'2" Roy Hibbert?

I heard the same things being said about Hibbert prior to the draft, who was once ranked top 5 too.

mattg · Post #120 » by **mattg** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 3:28 am

Cousins is producing more as a frosh in limited minutes than Hibbert ever did at Gtown. Some of that is style of their teams play, but Hibbert wasn't even 1/4 as good as Cousins as a frosh.

Some of you rip on Cousins athleticism too much, you'd think he couldn't even dunk by the way you talk about him. No one's confusing him with Amare Stoudemire but he isn't a stiff or anything. HIs footspeed and conditioning isn't great but pretty much thats the only thing you can knock him on considering his age. Skill wise he is very far ahead of any other big. No other prospect has his post moves, soft hands and touch near the rim.