If Ray's available, is Perkins too?

[campybatman]

This thread isn't about Dwight Howard. So I'm not going for the bait.

[irie]

Perk is most definitely not available...

[Banks2Pierce]

Perk can definitely be had for the right price. I actually think he might be our best bait to complete a blockbuster. There was a reason he was being shopped around a little bit this summer.

The issue with him is that he will be a free agent in the summer of 2011 and will command 8 million at least. You aren't winning a championship with Perkins at that #. He has become overrated around these parts. His offense is putrid.

[Zin5]

Only deals I consider moving Perk in are ones where we get a solid defensive center back in return. I mentioned in the Ray Allen trade thread, that if Philly said they'd give us Iguodala and Dalembert for Perk and Ray, I'd at least consider it. I'd probably want to get Lou Williams out of it, but that'd probably be a deal breaker.

I don't view Dwight Howard, Horford or Bargnani as centers.

Then what the hell do you view Howard as? He's most definitely a center.

EDIT (didn't see this):

This thread isn't about Dwight Howard. So I'm not going for the bait.

The user wasn't baiting you. Unlike what you typically think, not everyone's out to troll you. The guy asked you a question. If you're going to make a point like saying Dwight's not a center, then be prepared to back it up. The proper thing to do would be to at least give an answer on it. You made it on topic when you brought it up in the first place.

Hell, you're probably not even reading this because I've probably been on your ignore list for ages for disagreeing with you or something small like that.

[sully00]

The only person who may love Kendrick Perkins and what he has become more than me is Danny Ainge so lets start with ain't happening. Beyond that I have seen enough of what our post defense looks like with KG and Sheed and it makes me want to puke.

But I don't know how you move Ray for value without considering moving Perk. So I am kind of back to not moving either unless you are getting a godfather deal.

[campybatman]

Perkins has played well enough for a raise but to trade him now means that you don't see the team reaching the NBA Finals.

It's tough to imagine that Boston's future is only Rondo if Perkins isn't signed to an extension. Therefore, to avoid Rondo feeling lonesome since he and Perkins are friends, Ainge will need to target a young and upcoming star to add to the young nucleus that's only Rondo right now.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I can't believe I read above someone would trade Perk and Ray for Duncan? Duncan is about 10 years older and can barely get up and down the court anymore, he's so banged up and slowed by age and injuries. Great player, but way past his prime...no way to a trade like that!

[floyd]

I can't believe I read above someone would trade Perk and Ray for Duncan? Duncan is about 10 years older and can barely get up and down the court anymore, he's so banged up and slowed by age and injuries. Great player, but way past his prime...no way to a trade like that!

I'll be honest, I just watch Boston so I am certainly no scout. But Duncan is putting up 20 and 11 on 15 shots this season. We would obviously be selling our future, but he'd replace Ray's offense and Perk's D and rebounding while letting us start Tony. Our offense might be ugly as hell, but I think even a banged up frontline of Ducan and KG would be hard as hell to guard and our D would be improved with Tony and Daniels.

I don't see this team going real deep without a legit go to big that commands a double and KG doesn't look like that guy anymore.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Duncan isn't even playing every night...Popovich sits him every 3rd game to save him for the playoffs...I don't see why we'd want that...

[campybatman]

This excerpt, taken from a recent article regarding Perkins, I found interesting. Defensive minded centers tend to want to be more involved in the offense, and don't want to be viewed as simply a defensive specialist on the team. I think of players like Dalembert or Mutombo.

I'm not sure if Perkins has always felt this way or he has recently decided that he wants to score more. Perhaps, he wants to improve his offense to make himself more attractive to possibly another team with one year left on his contract. Or, because the team is losing more games, he thinks he could've changed that if he were given an opportunity to score more.

Kendrick Perkins wants to contribute more offensively and believes the Celtics should go more inside-outside instead of the reverse. The big man from Texas is not one to mince words and he has expressed his unhappiness with the offense.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ltics+news

[Collinto]

I posted this in another thread, but it probably belongs here. Edited slightly to fit the thread:

I stand by the trade I proposed back at the beginning of the trading season: Allen, Perkins, BBD, #1 for Amare and Richardson. We get more athletic (which makes Rondo more valuable), we get younger (2 guys under 30, extending the window), we get more offensive punch. We take a hit defensively, but I think 2 vets who 'buy-in' to winning the title with D will surprise (again, see Pierce and Allen defensive effort pre/post trade). And I think the plusses, out-weigh the losses on the defensive end.

I respect the opinions on Amare, but don't agree. I think there is a similarity between Amare and Pierce, minus the injuries Amare has sustained. Both had early success and obvious talent. Both excelled on great teams early, but regressed as their teams lost talent. Both had been tabbed as minus defenders. Both had been tabbed as selfish. Both had been tabbed as not able to lead their team.

I hear Amare talk about playing for a winner, and much like Pierce (reportedly), blocked a trade to a team that wasn't going to compete.

I think Amare is a risk, but it is more based on his injury history. It is my belief, that on a winning, veteran roster where he has support (much like Pierce), he falls into a 1b type role and maturely proves the neigh-sayers wrong.

And I also think that Richardson fits the Ray Allen role as well, if not better, than Ray.

PHO saves cash (which they always seem to want to do), get one of the best young C in the league, slide Frye to PF, pick up a cheap back up PF and a #1. From what is being reported, that may be enough for them.