Are Rondo and Perk liabilities in close games?

Ben-N1ce · Post #1 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:14 pm

This boils down to FT shooting. Rondo is the worste in the league at guard and Perk is top 5 worse in the league at center. Two starters shooting 60% is absurd. I'm concerned that teams will imploy hack a Rondo or hack a Perk which is a viable option. I'm actually shocked teams haven't done it more. Also when it is a 2 point game and the odds are you cannot make it a 2 possesion game most times that is a problem. Maybe that is Doc reasoning for not putting the ball in his hands down the stretch? Perk can be subsituted for Sheed but their is a huge playmaking drop off if Rondo is not in the game so he is a much bigger catch 22.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #2 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:16 pm

Rondo for sure, because he's so poor from the field. Perk, playing close to the hoop, is not as much a liability although his FT shooting could be better...but I'm more confident with Perk at the line than with Rondo, honestly...

cfan79 · Post #3 » by **cfan79** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:23 pm

Nope, they're the only players near the basket during the game. Everyone else acts like they're in a 3 point competition. They are argubly our most important players and without them we'd completely s*ck.

cfan79 · Post #4 » by **cfan79** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:27 pm

Besides who would rebound if we had Sheed and House in the game? I don't care if they miss all their free throws. They are crucial to the Celtics winning games.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #5 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:36 pm

Still, Rondo's FT and FG shooting, not to beat a dead horse, but they're ****' awful...really an embarrassment...

Ben-N1ce · Post #6 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:44 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:Still, Rondo's FT and FG shooting, not to beat a dead horse, but they're ****' awful...really an embarrassment...

You mean jump shooting... His FG % is fantastic for a guard.

BillessuR6 · Post #7 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:45 pm

They are definitely a liability. Every time they are fouled I am happy if they just make 1 out of 2. In close games that can be the difference...

aboubata · Post #8 » by **aboubata** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:11 pm

those are one of those things that I am ok with during the season.
let them go through it, see if they get confidence. Come end of March, if it is still an issue then doc knows he has to work on subs at the end of the games.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #9 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:25 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:
MyInsatiableOne wrote:Still, Rondo's FT and FG shooting, not to beat a dead horse, but they're ****' awful...really an embarrassment...

You mean jump shooting... His FG % is fantastic for a guard.

Yes, sorry, meant jump shooting...his FG% is great because most of his shots are lay-ups! :lol:

GreenMachine · Post #10 » by **GreenMachine** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:25 pm

Those games wouldn't BE close without Rondo (and Perk). We would be getting blown out a lot of nights if not for Rondo becoming OUR BEST PLAYER. Yeah, I said it.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #11 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 6:50 pm

^no, don't be sorry, it's true and you're right. But in the closing minutes of games, he kills us with his inept offense from beyond the basket...

cfan79 · Post #12 » by **cfan79** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 7:01 pm

We need Rondo in the game to set people up for easy baskets. Whenever he's not in the game we have to watch Paul or Tony dribble out the clock before a bad shot is thrown up. If they don't throw up a bad shot they are throwing obvious passes into the post or across the court.

AWalkerREMIX · Post #13 » by **AWalkerREMIX** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 7:40 pm

Quite the opposite. Their backups are total liabilities in close games, in my opinion.

GuyClinch · Post #14 » by **GuyClinch** » Fri Feb 5, 2010 9:31 pm

We need Rondo in the game to set people up for easy baskets. Whenever he's not in the game we have to watch Paul or Tony dribble out the clock before a bad shot is thrown up. If they don't throw up a bad shot they are throwing obvious passes into the post or across the court.

LMAO. Wow - how did the C's ever win a game before the great Rondo arrived?! <g> The problem is when Rondo "creates" at the end of the game guys simply don't cover him and double Paul instead. So how the hell is he supposed to "create" anything for these guys. That's why they run plays through Paul because people actually COVER him and thus he can hit UNCOVERED guys for open shots! Unfortunately that wide open guy is almost always Rondo.

It's pretty bad out there because you KNOW sometimes that Rondo doesnt' want to take a wide open shot but feels that he should. This is an awkward situation. He needs to develop enough confidence to WANT that last minute shot. Sometimes he has it but sometimes he does not..

He needs to develop more PPesque bravado when it comes to wide open bunnies. He needs to PUNISH guys for leaving him WIDE open. Once they start covering him some in these half court situations then he will be able to play to his strengths and create.

The Lakers unfortunately have become one of the best teams at exploiting Rondo at the end of games..
That being said the onus is on Rondo to improve. Eddie House brings too little out there to replace Rondo..

cfan79 · Post #15 » by **cfan79** » Sat Feb 6, 2010 1:53 pm

GuyClinch wrote: LMAO. Wow - how did the C's ever win a game before the great Rondo arrived?! <g> The problem is when Rondo "creates" at the end of the game guys simply don't cover him and double Paul instead. So how the hell is he supposed to "create" anything for these guys. That's why they run plays through Paul because people actually COVER him and thus he can hit UNCOVERED guys for open shots! Unfortunately that wide open guy is almost always Rondo.

Your argument is flawed

If Rondo drives into the paint someone has to cover him or he will get an easy layup. Sometimes 3 or 4 people surround him leaving most of his teammates open for a three, midrange or dunk.

celticfan42487 · Post #16 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Feb 6, 2010 2:17 pm

cfan79 wrote:
GuyClinch wrote: LMAO. Wow - how did the C's ever win a game before the great Rondo arrived?! <g> The problem is when Rondo "creates" at the end of the game guys simply don't cover him and double Paul instead. So how the hell is he supposed to "create" anything for these guys. That's why they run plays through Paul because people actually COVER him and thus he can hit UNCOVERED guys for open shots! Unfortunately that wide open guy is almost always Rondo.

Your argument is flawed

If Rondo drives into the paint someone has to cover him or he will get an easy layup. Sometimes 3 or 4 people surround him leaving most of his teammates open for a three, midrange or dunk.

Wrong. This is only outside of an important situation in a game.

In a close game, Rondo driving to the paint is a laugh for the opposition as they foul him with the easiest decision of their life. Or has Rondo force to jump backwards and try to throw the ball in the air for a prayer.

That's why, when push comes to shove. Rondo becomes a liability at the end of games. on the offensive end.

cfan79 · Post #17 » by **cfan79** » Sat Feb 6, 2010 4:32 pm

celticfan42487 wrote: Wrong. This is only outside of an important situation in a game.

In a close game, Rondo driving to the paint is a laugh for the opposition as they foul him with the easiest decision of their life. Or has Rondo force to jump backwards and try to throw the ball in the air for a prayer.

That's why, when push comes to shove. Rondo becomes a liability at the end of games. on the offensive end.

We won a title with Rondo at point guard and that's when he was a rookie. Since then he's gotten even better, possibly becoming the most important player on our team. Without him at point guard it would be much harder for everyone else.

If other teams are stupid enough to foul him then they'll regret it. He'll eventually get better at free throws and shooting.

Post #18 » by **Slartibartfast** » Sat Feb 6, 2010 4:40 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
cfan79 wrote:
GuyClinch wrote: LMAO. Wow - how did the C's ever win a game before the great Rondo arrived?! <g> The problem is when Rondo "creates" at the end of the game guys simply don't cover him and double Paul instead. So how the hell is he supposed to "create" anything for these guys. That's why they run plays through Paul because people actually COVER him and thus he can hit UNCOVERED guys for open shots! Unfortunately that wide open guy is almost always Rondo.

Your argument is flawed

If Rondo drives into the paint someone has to cover him or he will get an easy layup. Sometimes 3 or 4 people surround him leaving most of his teammates open for a three, midrange or dunk.

Wrong. This is only outside of an important situation in a game.

In a close game, Rondo driving to the paint is a laugh for the opposition as they foul him with the easiest decision of their life. Or has Rondo force to jump backwards and try to throw the ball in the air for a prayer.

That's why, when push comes to shove. Rondo becomes a liability at the end of games. on the offensive end.

Liability is too strong a word. He's certainly not suited to be the primary scoring option in the crunch, but his ball-handling, passing and penetrating abilities are still major assets to the team in tight 4th quarters.

GreenMachine · Post #19 » by **GreenMachine** » Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:28 pm

GuyClinch wrote:
LMAO. Wow - how did the C's ever win a game before the great Rondo arrived?! .

We didn't win very often at all for many many many years before Rondo arrived. Yes, I know about the "Big 3" - but even in 08 - we wouldn't have won it without Rondo. Rondo is the best PG this team has had since the 80s and DJ.