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Post#161 » by alphad0gz » Sun Feb 7, 2010 4:16 pm

I'm not talking about the top tax rate for the top 5% wage earners (wage is a complete misnomer). I'm talking about what is left of the top half of the middle-class. Forget all the clap-trap. I am squarely in the middle of the road both politically and with regards to income and I can tell you that my tax burden is over 50%, not even counting any corporate taxes I pay. What you (and millions of others like you) is that onerous taxation is a road to disaster. It is akin to socialism in the respect that it punishes talented, hardworking, individuals while encouraging the lazy or unmotivated. It stifles growth, stifles invention, stifles anything other than government funded research, and promotes a disinterested and unproductive population. Feel free to cite any global examples to dispel my assertions.

Your statement that the first income tax was instituted for fear of the spread of Marxist ideas is totally false. Income tax was initially brought about to finance war. That was also the driving reason behind the prohibitively high margin rates in 1917 and in 1945. It had absolutely nothing to do with Marxism, Socialism, or anything other than trying to pay bills. For all the crap Reaganomics absorbed, the JEC found his ideas on increased/decreased taxation to be on the money. In essence:
High marginal tax rates discourage work effort, saving, and investment, and promote tax avoidance and tax evasion. A reduction in high marginal tax rates would boost long term economic growth, and reduce the attractiveness of tax shelters and other forms of tax avoidance. The economic benefits of ERTA were summarized by President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers in 1994: "It is undeniable that the sharp reduction in taxes in the early 1980s was a strong impetus to economic growth." Unfortunately, the Council could not bring itself to acknowledge the counterproductive effects high marginal tax rates can have upon taxpayer behavior and tax avoidance activities


With regards to our current tax system, it may simply need an additional tier to reflect the earnings of the super rich. I favor a flat tax with no exemptions and three levels. Estate taxes also suck the life out of people.

Without being an isolationist, I admit to being a protectionist. Manufacturing in this country faces major disadvantages in competing with Mexico, China, and any third world county. First, China subsidizes materials used and energy used. They also manipulate the currency to control their advantage. Next, labor is only 10% (or less) of what it is here. Considering labor makes up half of my overhead, that's one hell of an advantage. Next, I have to give benefits and have insurances of all types that China doesn't. On top of that, they have no environmental controls, whatsoever. I ask you: How can I, or any other manufacturer compete against that?

What gets me angry is that people like you have no problem putting the burden on people like me while letting big business of the hook because its easier to tax than to come up with new ideas and implement them. Actually, that isn't true. It really comes down to China being heavily invested in the US and having so much clout we have to kiss their ass.

Everything...and I mean EVERYTHING comes down to one word. JOBS. I'm not talking about Walmart, Kmart, or the type of temporary jobs that politicians always tout and brag about as the jobs they created. For every decent job dollar we bring back, we reduce our entitlement dollars. Are you aware we are looking trillions of dollars in entitlement deficits over the next several years? That's right..TRILLIONS..in entitlement commitments, only. Things need to change NOW. Start with the hard stuff like reducing Gov't salaries and pensions at all levels. Bring them in line with the private sector. Same with teachers and administrators. Institute a tariff on foreign products that will make us competitive here. Demand more equalized trade. Put caps on essential services such as education, medical, and pharmaceutical. We need to stop trying to screw with the "haves" as they help the rest of us. If they bail, too, we are screwed, and that is exactly what will happen if we keep taking from them.
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Post#162 » by orangeblobman » Sun Feb 7, 2010 5:12 pm

Ah, fellow Knicks fan, I am greatly disturbed, scared, saddened, and angered by this one quote of yours...

But here's the key for me. I believe primarily in the quintessentially American principle of checks and balances, not that of liberty. I believe that Government can be a check and balance against the easily documented evil of people...


What a grotesque bastardization of the intended meaning of 'checks and balances', there is nothing American about your interpretation. And I have no words for your 'not that of liberty'. :(
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Post#163 » by richardhutnik » Sun Feb 7, 2010 9:33 pm

People can complain about tax rates, and so on, but can I ask some questions about the nature of society, and if you want to see this. Please answer on the state of affairs, and shape of society as a whole. DON'T personalize this, and say "Well everyone has to do what they have to do". On the shape of society, answer this:
* In the case where people fail in business ventures, or are downsized out of work and lose jobs, and basically fall to the bottom and don't appear to get up, if we won't do welfare for such individuals, should we install liquidation centers where these failure go and are put to death, so they don't consume resources, and their organs harvested and sold to pay off their debts?
* Should individuals who have advanced degrees be put in a position where they work in fast food places as part-time help cooking burgers, or driving taxes, or digging ditches, or anything that would normally require minimal education? Should we have a society where you need a college degree in order to work as a cashier in retail? Should an associates degree be the minimum degree for a minimum wage job as a janitor?
* If people here believe society shouldn't let people fall into the situation I described above, and people don't donate to charities to properly fund them, should the government then step in? If you don't want the above situation, and people refuse to fund programs to help people not fall down to the bottom, then how do you not have the falling to the bottom happen?
* What would society be like if you knew that your getting a college degree could end up with you, even if you were playing by the rules of society in a place where you fall to the bottom and may never get out? Will a society where the two options end up being either you get rich, or you end up homeless, ever have any individuals doing anything to resemble middle class and attempt to have what is seen as the "American Dream"? What would happen in such a society if most people knew there wasn't even going to be social security, and you never ever go to retire? What would happen to Wall Street when the mutual fund program goes away? Will anyone have any confidence in any institutions at all? It is a society where everyone is for themselves, and you get lucky and get somewhere, and no one helps you at all.

Anyone care to answer these? And don''t say that the questions I pose aren't real. I am facing theme every day here. I am going on three years without a job (20 hours over a 3 week period isn't a job), and approaching 6 years without a regular job in corporate America (I was a contractor). Since no one can figure out why I am where I am currently, anyone care to explain what kind of society there is, when increasing numbers of people end up in my boat? Again, view this state as a condition of society, and wonder what happens if it gets larger. Maybe your free market idealism will have you believe markets work perfectly.

In my case, I was told that even a position mentioned on here is one I would be overqualified for. That was an entry-level project planner position in construction, I would be willing to do.

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Post#164 » by richardhutnik » Sun Feb 7, 2010 9:45 pm

orangeblobman wrote:Ah, fellow Knicks fan, I am greatly disturbed, scared, saddened, and angered by this one quote of yours...

But here's the key for me. I believe primarily in the quintessentially American principle of checks and balances, not that of liberty. I believe that Government can be a check and balance against the easily documented evil of people...


What a grotesque bastardization of the intended meaning of 'checks and balances', there is nothing American about your interpretation. And I have no words for your 'not that of liberty'. :(


Classic conservative believes the state needs a lot of power to prevent the evils of the individuals from overrunning society. Whoever said that quote is WRONG about what checks and balances are. Checks and balances, as understood by the founding fathers, is one where you don't let a single branch get too much power and they keep each other in check, and make sure the power is balanced. What the last administration did was seen as obscene because, they desired to put excess power in the executive branch. Hey, desperate times required desperate measures. You never know when sneaky Muslim Extremists might take over Washington, DC and impose fundamentalist Islam on everyone, forcing a ban on pork, and make everyone pray facing Mecca 3 times a day. It will be so extreme that all internet porn sites will require women to wear veils. Yes, they will be nude, except they were veils all the time.

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Post#165 » by richardhutnik » Sun Feb 7, 2010 9:47 pm

orangeblobman wrote:More government spending (and thus taxes) to create jobs? Insanity.

Here's a thought: protect our industries and let them create the jobs instead of selling them up the river to Shanghai and then taxing us to create bureaucracy-expanding jobs.


You need to restructure the tax code to discourage things like that. However, the entire intellectual economic elite believe that protectionism is what causes the Great Depression, so they won't end up force controls on the economy. After all, you don't want to force struggling people making ends meet to have to pay more than what Walmart charges, do you? How can people survive in America unless you have them buy Chinese goods?

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Post#166 » by alphad0gz » Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:18 am

Rich, you ask us to not personalize it, then you do exactly that. I won't personalize, I'll generalize. First, I'd like to ask a few questions of you. What is it that you expect from your government? How much of your life are you responsible for and how much is not your responsibility? What lengths should any person be expected to go to, to live? What level of comfort should any person be guaranteed?

Now on to yours...I believe that a person,any person, is responsible for themselves to the extent they are capable of. That means they should do whatever they are able to do to survive. Bad career choice? Millions of people made them and are making them every day. Deal with it, **** happens. Business went under? Again, deal with it. I did. I know lots of people in my trade that lost their jobs due to no fault of their own. These guys were Tool and Die makers, which is a half step below mechanical/manufacturing engineer. They became everything from taxi drivers to nurses to teachers. They reinvested in themselves, just as I will do unless I make it to retirement. The difference between your point of view and mine is that I believe that no job is beneath me if I am unemployed, while you apparently think a person can be above menial work. What is lower, working for yourself and family, or begging to be taken care of? I believe in workfare, not welfare. You need money? Show up at your local workfare office and put your time in doing community jobs. They could be anything from working in your field, to painting, to picking up trash. In return, you would get a living wage and earn credits toward funding for retraining if desired. There is no place in the world that I am aware of that will pay unemployed people to sit at home indefinitely. Flip the burgers and then collect WF to get you to a living level. Low end, but living. I simply don't believe that able-bodied people have the right to refuse to work because it is distasteful to them, and then expect to be taken care of. Frankly, it offends me, and I have to believe anyone who is REALLY unable to find anything would be offended as well. Its tough not to personalize your question because, frankly, I have never met anyone with your belief system in my entire life.

Some of your questions are really unrealistic, Rich. A degree doesn't guarantee you anything and it doesn't make youan elite member of society. The facts of the matter is that PhDs have flipped burgers before, we will not become a "Soylent Green" society, and there will always be rich, poor, and in between. It has to be that way. Few debts are forever. Education and Medical may be exceptions. Your question about a minimum degree completely baffles me. What point are you trying to make? Government should be the last resort after a person has exhausted every single avenue to survive. That is survive, not survive with extras. We have more than rich and poor. I am an example and I am still pursuing the dream. I probably won't reach it, but I'm taking my shot. There are millions of people that need two wages to make ends meet. Some of those people work multiple jobs. THEY are playing by the rules, YOU are not. Rich, I think you would find that there are millions of Americans willing to give a hand to a person in need. What they won't give is help to a person who is not trying to help themselves as much the people willing to help them.

BTW, I am VERY familiar with the Sociological issues we are dealing with and the people you describe would be considered as having undesirable characteristics in every modern culture I am aware of. I would love for you to point out some place where your situation would be handled in a better way for you. I have friends all over the world and have had numerous long conversations about culture, politics, beliefs, etc, and I can tell you with complete confidence that you are very lucky to be here....
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Post#167 » by richardhutnik » Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:22 am

alpha, so you believe that it is the government's job to provide everyone a job? Isn't a workfare office such a thing? Where exactly is this "Workfare" office you speak of? I would be interested in visiting it, and getting others work to. Actually a "Workfare" office could be awesome. Other people could show up at it also, and I get free manpower for my non-profit, completely paid for by tax dollars. That is FANTASTIC. I could have executive officers who were downsized shape and mold it into a profitable business that would benefit society.

And I am willing to do just about anything now, particularly to get income coming in. What had presented itself to me was once a month clerical work as a sub, which due to where I am staying would mean going without food. I also did 20 hours over 3 week period (and I got a flat tire in the process). I have applied for work in a lot of areas, including Wendy's, who told me they wanted "quick food service experience" when I asked them about career opportunities. I also know one guy who is willing to work for a month for an employer without pay, to be able to prove himself to them, and no one is going on it. I would.

I could post you a list of the hundreds of different companies I have applied to, and none of which translated into anything. And I have worked MONTHS (over 2 years) on a non-profit trying to hold that together in hopes I get a portfolio out of it, to make myself viable. It actually has cost me money to keep going, like paying for domains and website hosting to keep things up. All this is happening with student loans that are awaiting. You don't want me to personalize. My extent was this: In my case, I was told that even a position mentioned on here is one I would be overqualified for. That was an entry-level project planner position in construction, I would be willing to do.

Anyhow, alpha, I suggest you NOT look into my life here. I have had to fight off social services that tells me I need to have unemployment run out, so I can lose my car and fall fully into the welfare system. You want that to happen? And I can tell you about the situation I am in currently now, and how much you would wish you would not pry into this, and would wish that you didn't dig into things, particularly among people I know where I am now, who are trying to rebound and not finding anything. Anyhow, I am also going for the brass ring in a world that doesn't care, so you don't want to get into this AT ALL. Seriously, don't go there. I could go into things about an accountant person who ran into racial discrimination and now has to work as an armored car driver.

Go back to the question I raised about a possible shape of society. Do you want that? What I think doesn't matter regarding this.

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Post#168 » by richardhutnik » Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:47 am

alpha, want to know how the welfare system works now? It is workfare. Unless you have some handicap issue that prevents you from working, as a single person you have two years to find a job, or you are thrown out of the system. However, the system is such, the state doesn't have any work for you. There aren't any sort of magical jobs to hand out to people. You either find something... ANYTHING with any employer, or you eventually get cut off from welfare.

There is also very limited funds for retraining, particularly among those who have college degrees. MAYBE a person can go into debt more (I am pushing $50,000 in student loan debt at this point), in order to get something. And whoever borrows has to guess that what they are getting training in will have employment for it. And they are the ones who get stuck with the bill. A person can't even declare bankruptcy and start over. And THAT Is the world we live in. Maybe you aren't aware of this, but this is the reality.

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Post#169 » by orangeblobman » Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:56 pm

Two years to find a job? Do you know how long that is? That's 1.75 years too long. That's nanny state welfare.

Rich, all you gotta do is go out there and take any job, or jobs, that you can find, and then work hard.
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Post#170 » by richardhutnik » Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:52 pm

orangeblobman wrote:Two years to find a job? Do you know how long that is? That's 1.75 years too long. That's nanny state welfare.

Rich, all you gotta do is go out there and take any job, or jobs, that you can find, and then work hard.


Let me just give you one example of what happened. I walk into a KFC that is hiring. I ask them about the position, and explain my background. The guy looks at me like, "WTF?" and I get the basic "I am overqualified" bit. There is no way to hide that I have come out of the IT background, and worked at IBM.

You do understand what the "overqualified" line is, right? It is that I am in the wrong class for being there. I don't belong there. The fact I have a Masters degree in a given area has everyone automatically putting me in the "Techie" class, and if they don't have any IT work, it doesn't come through. Consider the case of myself applying for a cashier at a beverage place. I get called in for an interview for an IT spot they had open. Someone else got it, either because I didn't have regular access to a phone that moment, or because someone else was a better fit for the position. I did explain why I applied to the cashier position, tried to say I was flexible on the rate, and also said I would do whatever the company needed. Again, it didn't work out. My background is such that I end up being said to be IT field, and the work isn't there.

And, by the way, tell me about "Nanny State Welfare". The job I do now is not paid. It is pro-bono, and is actual work. So, I guess "Nanny state" means that you do work and don't get paid for it. And are you suggesting I NOT take unemployment benefits? They are there, and I have them. And I do try to work in a meaningful way . And I did about 20 hours of paid work over a 3 week period last summer. And I will be going to a job fair tomorrow to see if anything pops up.

As for being "1.75 years too long", well make that about 2.75 years, because I am going on about 3 years without any full-time paid employment. However, life seems to happen. And you know what? No one can explain why. Apparently employers aren't eager to hire anyone who want to do "anything" because they see it as desperate and have concerns the person will bolt ASAP if they get hired. That is how life works. This is what I am in currently.

There was the case also where I applied as an IBM supplemental employee and got called back for an interview. The interview ended when the guy found out I was a former IBMer at several bands higher than where I was before and also salaried.

I don't believe turning my life on here into modern version of The Book of Job is going to be able to address anything. Maybe it makes people here feel better about their view of reality. Maybe the whining about "Nanny State" would be relevant here. How about a more general view? Ask yourself if you want to have a society where cashier positions are increasingly filled with people with more and more advanced degrees, or should we bounce people who are genuinely overqualified. If it is the later, then you can generate more people like myself, who happen to not be able to find work for a very long time.

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Post#171 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:13 pm

Hahahaha. Sarah Palin's wrote cheat notes on her hand for interview. She just couldn't seem to have any confidence that she could remember these three little words. Then, of course there was Bush being wired for sound during the debates, so I guess this is right out of the republican playbook.

And she has unmitigated gaul to criticize Obama for using a teleprompter when making a speech? Perhaps she didn't see the Obama-House GOP question and answer session.

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Sarah Palin caught with crib notes on her hand
Sarah Palin mocked President Barack Obama as 'a charismatic guy with a Teleprompter' during a speech only to be photographed with crib notes written on the palm of her hand.

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Published: 4:35PM GMT 08 Feb 2010

A close examination of the former vice-presidential candidate speaking at the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville at the weekend revealed she had the words "Energy", "Tax," and "Lift Americans Spirits" scrawled in ink on the inside of her left hand.

She surreptitiously glanced at the words during a question and answer session afterwards when she was asked what should be the top three things a Republican majority in Congress would focus on.

Mrs Palin later told Fox News she would run for president in 2012 "if I believed that that is the right thing to do for our country and for the Palin family", adding it would be "absurd" to rule out such a move.

Mrs Palin ran with Senator John McCain in the 2008 race which they lost to Barack Obama.
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Post#172 » by orangeblobman » Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:44 pm

Lol, the Palin Palm, i made that up :lol: :D :lol: :lol:
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Post#173 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Feb 9, 2010 12:02 am

orangeblobman wrote:Lol, the Palin Palm, i made that up :lol: :D :lol: :lol:



Well done, sir. There is a front page editor's job waiting for you at the NY Post! :lol:
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Post#174 » by richardhutnik » Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:53 am

TYT on the Palin bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJdYYTTv1c&feature=sub

I don't see a big deal here about this. I do extemporaneous speaking, and will have notes like that... on a piece of paper.

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Post#175 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:32 am

richardhutnik wrote:TYT on the Palin bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJdYYTTv1c&feature=sub

I don't see a big deal here about this. I do extemporaneous speaking, and will have notes like that... on a piece of paper.

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Rich, you're right. It's not a problem to have notes when making a speech. Which is the reason why it is hypocritical for her to attack Obama for using a teleprompter when he gives his speeches. Hypocrisy is someone I have a problem with. The other problem with it is that she couldn't remember those 3 little concepts: (1) tax; (2) energy; and (3) raise American spirits?????? What a mental midget. (I bet you wouldn't have any trouble remembering them.) Also, you don't have aspirations of running for President of the United States. She does.
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Post#176 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:58 am

In light of Palin's faux pas here's an oldie but goody.

Let's just say that using if the repugs are engaging in surreptitious espionage, this country is in deep trouble. One way you tell a smart person by how good a cheater he or she is.

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Post#177 » by richardhutnik » Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:14 pm

HawthorneWingo wrote:
richardhutnik wrote:TYT on the Palin bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJdYYTTv1c&feature=sub

I don't see a big deal here about this. I do extemporaneous speaking, and will have notes like that... on a piece of paper.

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Rich, you're right. It's not a problem to have notes when making a speech. Which is the reason why it is hypocritical for her to attack Obama for using a teleprompter when he gives his speeches. Hypocrisy is someone I have a problem with. The other problem with it is that she couldn't remember those 3 little concepts: (1) tax; (2) energy; and (3) raise American spirits?????? What a mental midget. (I bet you wouldn't have any trouble remembering them.) Also, you don't have aspirations of running for President of the United States. She does.


The lame parts here were that she looks down at her hand. If she needed mental reminders, there were other ways to do it, and it could of been integrated into her speech. Anyhow, I worry less about hypocrisy than other things. The cries of hypocrisy are done by those who normally lack values of their own they hold themselves and others accountable to.

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Post#178 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:54 am

richardhutnik wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote:
richardhutnik wrote:TYT on the Palin bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJdYYTTv1c&feature=sub

I don't see a big deal here about this. I do extemporaneous speaking, and will have notes like that... on a piece of paper.

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Rich, you're right. It's not a problem to have notes when making a speech. Which is the reason why it is hypocritical for her to attack Obama for using a teleprompter when he gives his speeches. Hypocrisy is someone I have a problem with. The other problem with it is that she couldn't remember those 3 little concepts: (1) tax; (2) energy; and (3) raise American spirits?????? What a mental midget. (I bet you wouldn't have any trouble remembering them.) Also, you don't have aspirations of running for President of the United States. She does.


The lame parts here were that she looks down at her hand. If she needed mental reminders, there were other ways to do it, and it could of been integrated into her speech. Anyhow, I worry less about hypocrisy than other things. The cries of hypocrisy are done by those who normally lack values of their own they hold themselves and others accountable to.

- Rich


I don't know where you got that last quip from, but it certainly doesn't apply to me. And you certainly don't know me well enough in order to make that evaluation. I don't think I would be so judgmental. We're here criticizing politicians for goodness sakes.

Besides, if you can't demand that from you're congress-people and representatives, then we are in a sorry state. And if you couldn't see the hypocrisy in what Palin did, then that's a shame.
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Post#179 » by richardhutnik » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:19 am

HawthorneWingo, I mention the hypocrisy issue, because I am seeing it brought up far more often as an assault against someone (think about the Kerry flip-flop label attack, for example), than anything else of common substance. The more hypocrisy is the major charge the less common values we share that we can call people on. Palin lacking intellectual fiber in her hand notes, and other aspects of her should be enough here. Hypocrisy call I find worth a chuckle, not one to get real outraged about.

- Rich
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Re: The Politics Thread - please direct all related posts here.. 

Post#180 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:44 am

richardhutnik wrote:HawthorneWingo, I mention the hypocrisy issue, because I am seeing it brought up far more often as an assault against someone (think about the Kerry flip-flop label attack, for example), than anything else of common substance. The more hypocrisy is the major charge the less common values we share that we can call people on. Palin lacking intellectual fiber in her hand notes, and other aspects of her should be enough here. Hypocrisy call I find worth a chuckle, not one to get real outraged about.

- Rich


Ok. I thought you were directing that at me. In any event, I think you should get more angry about it because it's constantly coming from "conservatives" at the expense of getting work done and fixing all the messes that are out there. This is all about republicans making up shyt as they go along solely to throw a monkey wrench in anything that Obama is trying to get done. All those repugs who voted against the stimulus and then showed up at the ribbon cutting ceremony in their district???? WTF? They complain when the health care debate is not televised, then complain when Obama wants to have a meeting with both sides and televise it. WTF? It just goes on and on and it's pretty sickening.

Here, please read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/albert-br ... 54976.html

Posted: February 9, 2010 10:29 AM
Barack Obama Is Being Punk'd
by: Albert Brooks

Okay. Time is up. Barack Obama is being punk'd.

Sarah Palin had notes written on her hand at the same moment that she was making fun of Obama for using a teleprompter. One of the radio "hosts" who makes fun of the teleprompter daily said that Palin's notes on her hand were "endearing." The "host" also blamed Obama for televising his day with the Republican leadership, saying that if he was serious, he would have done it in private. This was after a solid month of daily beatings for not making the health care negotiations public.

The Democratic Party can now be assured forever that nothing, nothing, nothing they will do will stop the insanity. Or Sean Insanity, whatever you want to call it. If they are hoping for good publicity from the majority media, (yes, I'm sorry Fox, but you are now the highest rated news network) forget it. Writing on the hand is okay, teleprompter is not. Opening up health care is okay, opening up the meeting with Republicans is not. It would not surprise me if Ashton Kutcher popped out of the West Wing and told Obama that he has been punk'd.

The swift boat ad that killed John Kerry was not an aberration, it was just the beginning. They took a man who actually served in Vietnam and made him a coward compared to a man who didn't. And people bought it. Now it's everywhere. Right is wrong, wrong is right, crazy is normal, good is bad, hot is cold. I am not sure what the anti-Christ's plan is, but I can't imagine this is not part of it.

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