Celtics Management should Panic

[JSABleedsGreen]

Normally I pray the Celtics don't get caught up in all the trade deadline hype. This might be one of the years that I hope they do get caught up in the hype. They need to shake things up. As much as I like Ray and what he brought to this team and the class of the guy, he's losing it very fast. It's not his fault though, Doc is running the poor guy into the ground. Ray played 40 minutes yesterday on a day when Marquis came back. how's that possible? Pierce plays more minuted than Daniels and Pierce was playing on the bad wheel. could Ray Allen play better if his minutes are decreased to 30 minutes, maybe perhaps. Anyhow this team needs a shake up.

Pierce - hurt and starting to look his age,
Garnett - hurt and slowly getting better but he's starting to show his age too
Ray Allen - has fully shown his age, legs are done and Doc continues to play him 40+
Rondo - Only Star on the team BUT he can't carry the team, doesn't have that quality, not yet
Perkins - Solid and over-achiever
Wallace - legs are done too, and too much mouth....even when actually hits someone hard
T. Allen - trade bait
Daniels - should play more or if Doc decides to sit Pierce and Ray
House - should not play anymore this season. Major liability on defense, cannot guard his own guy
Davis - too undersized, he should know better than to try to muscle up a shot after a rebound
Everyone else needs no explanation.

IMO opinion they need to swing a trade. Sorry Ray but it has to be your contract. I'm not a huge fan of Hinrich but the trade would benefit us only if we get Tyrus Thomas back in the trade. Celtics need an athletic big man, look at what the athletic big guys are doing to the C's

That being said I don't think there's any trade out there that could land us banner #18 this year. I also don't think staying put with Ray will win us #18. So they should try and see what they can get out there for Ray and if they can land Hinrich and Thomas then that would make House expendable and that would make Davis/Sheed/Scalabrine expendable. Also use T.Allen's money when it comes off the books and resign Daniels.

What do you guys think....? There's still an outside chance that the C's could make a run but there's too many and's and if's. I think it's time to not fully rebuild because they have solid pieces in place.....they just need to go get some decent talent and get rid of some of the excess weight on this team in order to have a shot for #18 in this new decade.

[GreenDreamer]

A few things need to happen, IMO

1. Ray Allen's contract needs to be moved for a really good player, who is younger, and hopefully some depth.

2. Rondo needs to be the boss. Not be sorta, kinda, mosta the time given the keys. He is the best player on this team now, and the sooner Doc wakes up and smells the coffee, the better of we will be.

3. We need to make sure that Paul and KG are in good shape for the playoffs.

4. The team needs to play at a quicker tempo, which is more Rondo-friendly, and that means using the bench more liberally. If you don't have the players on the bench who can play that way, you go and GET THEM. This offense is a stagnant POS.

That is the super short list, but they are the biggest points IMO.

[GuyClinch]

C's PUBLICALLY shouldn't panic. We have no idea what Danny is thinking privately. <g> So its hard to fault the team. If the trade deadline passes - then maybe you can get on him. I personally think the rumours are correct and Danny is trying to make a move.

[irie]

Every GM is trying to make a move near the deadline. Your team can always be better and it doesn't hurt to be inquisitive about who is available for your expirings / draft picks / etc.

[Kefa461]

A GM who won a chip 2 seasons ago is not gonna be in panic mode........nor is an owner, whom has sellouts every game.

[armageddon]

This will make for an interesting all-star break.

[sutrick]

[quote="Kefa461"]A GM who won a chip 2 seasons ago is not gonna be in panic mode........nor is an owner, whom has sellouts every game.


True, but this team cannot win anything. Something should be done or the slope will turn negative rather quickly.

[Kefa461]

A GM who won a chip 2 seasons ago is not gonna be in panic mode........nor is an owner, whom has sellouts every game.


True, but this team cannot win anything. Something should be done or the slope will turn negative rather quickly.

Making a sensible trade is different then a "panic" move.

Don't make a move just for moves sake.

[pac213up]

No need to panic...simply execute what ever plan they had. I'm sure they had a plan A, B, and C in regards to Ray Allen's contract. I agree with the OP however in that House should not play another minute. We all love the guys effort but if he is not hitting shots (which he is not doing this year) he does nothing else well enough to deserve to be on the basketball court. Simply keeping him on the bench makes the Celtics better more times than it will hurt.

[JSABleedsGreen]

A GM who won a chip 2 seasons ago is not gonna be in panic mode........nor is an owner, whom has sellouts every game.


True, but this team cannot win anything. Something should be done or the slope will turn negative rather quickly.

Making a sensible trade is different then a "panic" move.

Don't make a move just for moves sake.

I don't think Danny has any panic at all and won't just make a move just to make a move. However I do think he knows that something needs to be done because this current team will not get it done.

Do you agree that something needs to be done? Whether it's trading Ray or trading some bench players? The lineup needs a shake up. I think players are too content. the fact that a player during halftime said we are better than Orlando and then go out and lose the way they did shows me that the players are just too comfortable and complacent. They are settling instead wanting more. They aren't hungry. Perhaps we need some new blood in here who is hungry. Now who that is.....I don't know. That's up to management to figure out if anything is even feasible. It could turn out that nothing gets down. Then at that point something would need to get done internal to shake things up.

If Ray talks about willing to do anything for this team then maybe....let's bring him off the bench. He's still going to get 30 and more minutes than Tony allen but at least he's got something left for the end of games.

[ReadyOrlando]

Magic fan here, and first of all I'm not trying to troll or start ****, but I think your coach is the problem. The right combination of minutes and PT on your roster with and an underdog mentality will do your team justice. Shaking things up is a risk, for a team that's already good. That said, I could understand a trade to bring in youth for the future.

[irie]

Magic fan here, and first of all I'm not trying to troll or start ****, but I think your coach is the problem. The right combination of minutes and PT on your roster with and an underdog mentality will do your team justice. Shaking things up is a risk, for a team that's already good. That said, I could understand a trade to bring in youth for the future.

That's not trolling a lot of Celtics fans feel the same way.

[MyInsatiableOne]

So we went from Doc was the problem, to Doc was amazing (in 2008) back to Doc sucks?

[irie]

I never thought Doc was amazing. His rotations have always been a source of complaining for me since the day he started coaching the Celtics..

[GuyClinch]

Every NBA fan base always think they know more then the coach - most often they are wrong. Not to go all Gonzo but the NBA is a player league and almost any NBA player could take over a good team and it would still be good..OTOH if they took over a bad team they would still be bad.

Doc Rivers is one of the best NBA coaches. He is good with the media, motivates his guys well and very underrated on the X and Os. I think he is good for 5-10 extra wins over a Vinny Del Negro or another generic NBA coach. I have little doubt that behind the scenes Danny and Doc are plotting to change things up in short order..

[MyInsatiableOne]

^well said, Pete