iserp wrote:Not trying to be a troll, but that deal is so lopsided that it isnt even funny.
No, you have a well thought-out and reasoned reply. It is nowhere close to trolling. And I agree it is lopsided in the Celtics' favor. I am a Celtics fan and I was attempting to maximize everything to the benefit of the Celtics.
iserp wrote:Portland might need to trade some of their young talent, but they are not trading BOTH rudy and batum. Specially since they are not rushing things, they expect Oden to come back and Perkins is just an overachiever.
See my reply to GuyClinch above but Perkins is young enough, cheap enough, signed long enough and good enough to upgrade their current frontcourt, act as insurance against BOTH Oden and Pryzbilla each coming back from knee surgery and, possibly, as future insurance or as a trade chit, depending on Oden's health (or lack thereof) going forward. Oden has already had microfracture surgery on his right knee, a mid-lateral foot sprain, bone chips removed from his left knee and a fracture of his left patella.
If that wasn't bad enough, his primary backup also went down with a serious knee injury. Portland is still playing quite well despite playing Juwan Howard's corpse. If they can upgrade Howard to make a playoff run this season, it gives the rest of the roster playoff experience and it doesn't put all of their eggs in the very fragile Greg Oden basket going forward.
Your general point holds true, though, as it is fairly high price to pay for a backup center (assuming Oden is healthy moving forward.) I want Batum and Outlaw, at minimum, for Perkins and Walker. I would like to get the rights to Koponen, Freeland or even Claver but I highly doubt that is possible.
iserp wrote:76ers want to shed payroll, but the worst contracts they have are Iguodala and Elton Brand. They will ship Dalembert only if they can unload one of those two, so they have cap space for this summer. They're not surrendering Lou Williams like this (1 year of Dalembert's contract is not worth that). Actually, they'd like some talent for their players; but even if they were just getting expirings, Phoenix or Houston are offering better trades.
Maybe you are right. I was under the assumption that despite being young and a contributor, the 76'ers were unhappy with Lou Williams and were really looking to open up playing time for J'rue Holiday. The deal could still go through with Willie Green instead of Williams. The major changes from the deal as outlined in the first post would be the following:
Boston:
In: Batum, Outlaw, Dalembert, Green, Kapono, Millsap and Okur
Portland:
In: Perkins and Walker
Philadelphia:
In: R. Allen, T. Allen and JR Giddens
Utah:
In: Davis, House and Scalabrine
iserp wrote:Utah just signed Paul Milsap. He is an insurance against Boozer leaving and he is very young. AKs contract is bad, but Utah is getting just a bunch of scrubs in this trade. If they are so desperate to shed payroll they would trade Boozer along someone else and get something in return.
Do they keep Boozer? Are they planning on re-signing Boozer? Will they need to clear salary to re-sign Boozer? If they are trading Boozer, I would be more than happy to amend the trade to take Boozer and Okur off of their hands. No offense but I find it highly suspect that they would simply allow Boozer to expire without getting any value in return (and without any benefit of additional salary relief by trading him before the deadline because a sign-and-trade, unless packaged with Okur, will put them right back into the tax-paying bracket they currently find themselves sitting in.) So, do they get salary relief this year and into the future or do they lose an asset and get nothing in return? Boston can certainly involve draft picks if that would make Utah whole.
What are the much better trades that these other GMs could get? I am not saying the deal I laid out is perfect, in fact, as stated, it was purposely in favor of Boston. Boston, after all, is eating the most future salary.
Tracy McGrady by himself gives only salary cap relief. Ray and other expiring contracts do the same. Is it because another team will eat Iguodala? Boston will eat his salary and take on Dalembert. Boston can find a combo guard elsewhere. It doesn't hold up the general framework of the deal from happening. If reports are to be true, Boston could likely re-route Iguodala (or keep him.)
Can Portland really count on Oden being healthy moving forward? If you are a young playoff team, do you really want to rest team-wide success on Oden remaining healthy (something he has been unable to do for the last four years running)? By acquiring Perkins, Portland allows Oden a year and a half to get (and remain) healthy. I feel that the amended trade, sans Fernandez, is more than fair.
I think I covered Utah enough.
Where is my thinking and conclusions off in this? What needs to be amended to make all teams whole? I don't think I have overrated anyone in this deal but I am open to listening to what other people feel regarding the valuation of the players involved.
