Latest Trade Buzz: Caron, Iggy Goners? Updates PG 3 & 4

[pspot]

I suggested

Lakers get: Jose, Blatche, Critt and Nessy (waived and stays with TO)
Wiz get: Wright, Stash, POB, Powell
Raps get: Butler, Boykins, and Fisher (would be waived and go back to Lakers)

That creates 9 million in savings for Wsh
Lakers get a starting pg and decent young big without moving one rotation player
Raps get Butler and a back up pg

it got laughed at on the trade board but I actually think something like this will actually go down and people will be surprised with the degree of talent for savings moves that will be made

[Consequence]

http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3

Apparently CHAR and BOS are discussing a trade working around Glen Davis going for DJ Augustine. Seems ok for both sides, though it needs to be balanced due to Davis' BYC.

[dacrusha]

I suggested

Lakers get: Jose, Blatche, Critt and Nessy (waived and stays with TO)
Wiz get: Wright, Stash, POB, Powell
Raps get: Butler, Boykins, and Fisher (would be waived and go back to Lakers)

That creates 9 million in savings for Wsh
Lakers get a starting pg and decent young big without moving one rotation player
Raps get Butler and a back up pg

it got laughed at on the trade board but I actually think something like this will actually go down and people will be surprised with the degree of talent for savings moves that will be made

The Lakers don't get involved as a third team in any deal unless they receive the best player in the deal. They are looking for a third team (of suckers) to help them land Butler from Washington.

This is why your proposal is being laughed at.

[Rapsobsessed7]

I suggested

Lakers get: Jose, Blatche, Critt and Nessy (waived and stays with TO)
Wiz get: Wright, Stash, POB, Powell
Raps get: Butler, Boykins, and Fisher (would be waived and go back to Lakers)

That creates 9 million in savings for Wsh
Lakers get a starting pg and decent young big without moving one rotation player
Raps get Butler and a back up pg

it got laughed at on the trade board but I actually think something like this will actually go down and people will be surprised with the degree of talent for savings moves that will be made

too big, it could be trimmed down to keep them under the tax and allow them to keep blatche who i think they like. 7 player swap something like this

1st deal: has to happen 1st, Feb 11th

Raptors Send: TE + 2010 2nd
Wizards Send: Boykins

2nd deal: then the real deal.

TOR: Butler + Stevenson
LAL: Calderon
WAS: Morrison + Wright + Farmar

basically saves them 5.2 million (rest of luxury tax) so they get under the tax get Farmar + Wright + Morrison and a 2nd rounder. 10.4 million in total luxury tax but they woudlnt have to pay any because they would be under it. Big benefit because they receive payments from other teams. It completely gets them out of the tax and its a much smaller deal. More realistic, the 1st round would happen or Toronto could take Farmar and send Rasho to Washington. Saving them 4.5 million instead of 5.2.

Jack/Boykins/Banks
Butler/Belinelli/Stevenson
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Evans
Bargnani/Johnson/Nesterovic

Calderon/Fisher/Minimum
Byrant/Brown/Sasha
Artest/Walton
Gasol/Odom
Bynum/Powell/DJ

Foye/Farmar/James
Young/Wright
Miller/Mcguire/Morrison
Jamison/Blatche
Haywood/Mcgee/Oberto

Suspended: Arenas , Crittenton

[RapsFanInOhio]

Some of these recent trade proposals that send Jose to LA I really like. But you guys have to understand that I highly doubt that LA is going to take on Jose's contract unless Walton is moved in the same deal. There is no way they want $16 million dollars going to Jose and Walton after next year. No way. I pretty much got laughed at when I suggested we take on Walton's contract. But seriously, we're not moving Calderon to the Lakers unless Walton is included.

And that brings up another thing: teams are not going to take Jose's deal because he is not a player that is worth $8.5 per year. If they wanted a PG at that price, they could just take on Hinrich who is a better defender and has a year less on his contract. There is no team in the league that NEEDS Jose. Not Washington, or at least not until they know if Zero is going to get his contract voided and that won't be until he gets sentenced, which will be March at the earliest (not before the trade deadline). Not the Lakers. Maybe the Heat, but that won't be til the offseason either because they're not sacrificing cap space for Jose. Other than that, who really needs an $8.5 million dollar PG who doesn't perform at that level? Nobody.

What I'm trying to say is that Jose is not likely to get moved right now, and if he does, we're going to have to take on a horrible contract in return. He'll have more value in the summer maybe. Hopefully we can trade him either then (in the summer) or before this year's trade deadline. Otherwise we are stuck with him until he's an expiring.

[[SJJ]]

I aint getting my hopes up.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Here's an idea if you're talking Wash, LA, and Toronto.

To Toronto: Butler, Walton, Farmar
To Washington: Morrison, Brown
To LA: Calderon, Banks, Wright

Washington saves like $2.6 million instantly and $9 million total in the offseason. Plus they get a look at Shannon Brown.
LA does this because of talent upgrade. They have to give up Brown, but Wright is a good replacement.
Toronto does this to get a solid 2 guard on a not-so-bad contract. DD can take over after Butler expires, and long-term we save tax dollars by turning Jose's deal into Waltons. Farmar is a very serviceable backup.

[Maritimer]

http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3

Apparently CHAR and BOS are discussing a trade working around Glen Davis going for DJ Augustine. Seems ok for both sides, though it needs to be balanced due to Davis' BYC.

Davis/Giddens for Augustin/S. Graham works on ESPN's trade checker. Interesting deal for both sides...

EDIT - Just realised that Simmons posted the same trade on Twitter 25 minutes ago. Great minds think alike or fools seldom differ?

[RapsFanInOhio]

http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3

Apparently CHAR and BOS are discussing a trade working around Glen Davis going for DJ Augustine. Seems ok for both sides, though it needs to be balanced due to Davis' BYC.

Davis/Giddens for Augustin/S. Graham works on ESPN's trade checker. Interesting deal for both sides...

EDIT - Just realised that Simmons posted the same trade on Twitter 25 minutes ago. Great minds think alike or fools seldom differ?

Good call.

I think this is a good trade for both teams. Augustin could use a change of scenery.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Here's an idea if you're talking Wash, LA, and Toronto.

To Toronto: Butler, Walton, Farmar
To Washington: Morrison, Brown
To LA: Calderon, Banks, Wright

Washington saves like $2.6 million instantly and $9 million total in the offseason. Plus they get a look at Shannon Brown.
LA does this because of talent upgrade. They have to give up Brown, but Wright is a good replacement.
Toronto does this to get a solid 2 guard on a not-so-bad contract. DD can take over after Butler expires, and long-term we save tax dollars by turning Jose's deal into Waltons. Farmar is a very serviceable backup.

that doesnt get them completely out of tax though. Also they dump Stevenson in my deal + get out of tax i see what your saying about LAL though.

This could work.

TOR: Walton + Butler + Boykins
WAS: Amir + Farmar + Wright + Morrison
LAL: Calderon + Stevenson + Oberto

Washington gets young players, send 16.3 million get back 12.9. So save money, dump Stevensons contract too. I dont know just trying stuff.

Jack/Boykins/Banks
Butler/Belinelli
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Walton/O'Byrant
Bargnani/Evans/Nesterovic

[RapsFanInOhio]

Here's an idea if you're talking Wash, LA, and Toronto.

To Toronto: Butler, Walton, Farmar
To Washington: Morrison, Brown
To LA: Calderon, Banks, Wright

Washington saves like $2.6 million instantly and $9 million total in the offseason. Plus they get a look at Shannon Brown.
LA does this because of talent upgrade. They have to give up Brown, but Wright is a good replacement.
Toronto does this to get a solid 2 guard on a not-so-bad contract. DD can take over after Butler expires, and long-term we save tax dollars by turning Jose's deal into Waltons. Farmar is a very serviceable backup.

that doesnt get them completely out of tax though. Also they dump Stevenson in my deal + get out of tax i see what your saying about LAL though.

This could work.

TOR: Walton + Butler + Boykins
WAS: Amir + Farmar + Wright + Morrison
LAL: Calderon + Stevenson + Oberto

Washington gets young players, send 16.3 million get back 12.9. So save money, dump Stevensons contract too. I dont know just trying stuff.

Jack/Boykins/Banks
Butler/Belinelli
Hedo/Derozan/Weems
Bosh/Walton/O'Byrant
Bargnani/Evans/Nesterovic

Walton isn't going to play the four for us. That could get ugly lol. He's strictly a SF.

Washington isn't going to get completely out of the tax by trading Butler I don't think. That's why Butler and Haywood (and pretty much anyone else, for the right deal) are on the table.

Amir + Farmar + Wright + Morrison + Cash is plenty fair enough value for Butler in my opinion. Washington fans are not going to agree with this--they see Butler netting them some All-Star and that's just not going to happen. They MIGHT be able to get J Howard for Butler, but if you're Washington, why would you want Howard? He already has a bad reputation, and if he got caught doing anything while playing for Washington that would be horrible for the Wizards. I personally would much rather have the package above. They're all expiring deals anyway, and you get a cheap look at Amir and Farmar who have both shown a little promise. Expect trades like this at the deadline.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Its jsut too big to happen i think, also i dont know why they wouldnt want Jose back. he would be a good PG long term and has a good reputation.

Calderon
Wright
O'Byrant
TE (for Boykins)
2010 Raptors 2nd

for

Butler
Stevenson
Boykins

saves them 3.5 million, would need to cut 1 million to cut fully under tax. Haywood trade could do that, dump Stevensons contract for expiring. Or add Amir instead and take back Oberto or something.

Calderon/Foye/James
Young/Wright
Miller/Mcguire
Jamison/Blatche/O'Byrant
Haywood/Mcgee/Oberto

[basketball royalty]

Its jsut too big to happen i think, also i dont know why they wouldnt want Jose back. he would be a good PG long term and has a good reputation.

Calderon
Wright
O'Byrant
TE (for Boykins)
2010 Raptors 2nd

for

Butler
Stevenson
Boykins

saves them 3.5 million, would need to cut 1 million to cut fully under tax. Haywood trade could do that, dump Stevensons contract for expiring. Or add Amir instead and take back Oberto or something.

Calderon/Foye/James
Young/Wright
Miller/Mcguire
Jamison/Blatche/O'Byrant
Haywood/Mcgee/Oberto

Wasn't that the trade proposed by someone as insider info? Anyhow, I like it because we really need someone like Boykins coming back if we trade Jose.

[Boogie!]

lol i can only imagine how awkward it would be for leo with dalembert on the raps.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i dont know. Ive read rumors and it seems Dallas doesnt want to take Stevenson back. So why would Washington do Howard for Butler? Because he has a team option. Also rumor of Haywood + Butler for t-mac also makes no sense. I think Calderon would be a great fit for Washington and yes getting Boykins back would be great.

I actually like getting Stevenson back. Because him and banks expire in 2011 and give us 2 useless expiring contracts that could be good trade bait.

[sanity]

According to the Wizards forums Butler has sucked horribly this year. Described as a perimeter scorer who has lost his ambition to play defense. I'd rather trade our future away for Igoudala if it means addressing our flawed core now. He's a better player and would fit better alongside Andrea should Bosh go (which seems the intention on making this type of trade to begin with).

Getting Butler essentially means another season before having to re-up his contract again. Igoudala will at least be locked up for quite awhile longer, giving us more time better adjust the roster and not worry about overspending should he (Butler) continue to underperform.

The way I look at it, either player won't make this team much better than it currently is and won't propel us into championship contention. Its merely addressing one issue by creating another, while adding on a bunch of salary that will prevent us from improving our bench (which will suffer as a result of this). Rather see how Evans fits into our lineup and if Wright can sustain his play before we make major moves. Belinelli or Weems could be dealt considering the amount of PT they will get will drop again once Demar is back, for another defensive minded roleplayer or the like. Rather wait till the summer or next trade deadline so we can make actual use of our expirings.

[junot111]

If we gave up our expirings, and Calderon and took on Dalembert it's possible...

That's funny!

They would give up their franchise player and their best center for Calderon and expirings!

Damn it BC, get er done!

I agree it's probably not enough to get it done. But calling Dalembert "their best center" is overvaluing him with your choice of words. Philly would happily unload "their best center" for any expiring contract being offered (and they would have done it last year and the year before as well). Getting Dalembert as part of the deal evens it up, don't act like it makes it even more favorable for us.

but Calderon is not an expiring... and one could argue that what Dalembert brings as a defensive C is more valuable than Calderon. Plus his contract is shorter.

[MrBojangelz71]

That's funny!

They would give up their franchise player and their best center for Calderon and expirings!

Damn it BC, get er done!

I agree it's probably not enough to get it done. But calling Dalembert "their best center" is overvaluing him with your choice of words. Philly would happily unload "their best center" for any expiring contract being offered (and they would have done it last year and the year before as well). Getting Dalembert as part of the deal evens it up, don't act like it makes it even more favorable for us.

The guy gets just under 10 brds a game and over 2 blocks in 26 minutes. Granted he will make over 12 mill next season, it comes off the book at the end of it. If you think he is just a piece that Philly would just let go to shed some cap space you are fooling yourself. He is an asset and if any team is needing a big that can board and score, he can fill the void.

If you are looking to make a run, adding AI and Sammy at the expense of Jose and some expirings would be the way to go about it. If it's as much as taking on some money then I'd say hell ya. Sammy backing up AB, DD backing up AI, we would be a serious threat.

Problem is they would want Jose and DD in any deal, guaranteed. That's why I hope it doesn't happen. I want to see DD grow as a Raptor, I think he could be above average, possibly special.

[Rapsobsessed7]

if were looking for a big and not a wing, i would take Dally in a deal without Iggy. I think hes exactly what we need off the bench and come playoff time he would be a key part.

Amir
Banks
Rasho

for

Dally
Ivey

Jack/Calderon/Ivey
Derozan/Belinelli
Hedo/Wright/Weems
Bosh/Evans
Bargnani/Dalembert/O'Byrant

seems pretty solid. Gives us someone who we can put on Horford, Howard, Garnett. He also would make Joses defense look better. When hes on the court the 76ers give up 8 less points than when hes off. Thats pretty big.

[CrymeTime]

Chicago
Brendan Haywood
Patrick O'Bryant(expire)

Toronto
James Johnson
Caron Butler
Earl Boykins

Washington
Tyrus Thomas
Jose Calderon
Rasho Nesterovic
Option to Swap 1st rounders with Toronto(2011 or 2012)
2nd rounder from Toronto(via. LAC)